Durable, long-lasting carnauba?

Knockwurst said:
6.5 months? On a garage-kept queen under a tarp at a constant and dry 60 degrees Fahrenheit, right? I too like carnaubas, but donâ€â„¢t mislead this guy into thinking heâ€â„¢ll get anything more than 3-4 months on a daily driven machine. The only way youâ€â„¢ll see 6 month durability from Blitz is by waxing every other month and frequent use of a QD.



Sorry Knockwurst, but the 61/2 months I got out of Blitz was on my wife's daily driver, parked out in the open, between September-March of this year. I'm not "misleading" anyone, I'm simply reporting my very real results (which surprised me, too).



The last car I used Blitz on was my Silvia, whose paint was immaculate before application, and parked under a car port. It only lasted about 4-months.



So obviously "The only way youâ€â„¢ll see 6 month durability from Blitz is by waxing every other month and frequent use of a QD" applies to your experience, but not to everyone's. In fact, my wife's Mazda wasn't QD'd even once. **IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE**, Blitz lasts a long time. Results may vary.
 
Edit: I have not tried blitz, so I cannot comment :)



You really have not many choices, but ALL of the durable carnaubas are really good ones:



Rating based on durability alone

1) Collinite 476S superdouble coat: Easy the longest lasting carnauba, period. Many sealants will have a heart attack trying to run neck and neck with it. 5-7 months.

2) Collinite 845 insulator wax: Also as tough as a 25 cents steak, but the 476 lasts longer. 4 - 6 months.

3) Meguiars #16: Lasted 50 years unchanged for a reason. 3-5 months



Looks:

Tie 1): Collinite 845 and #16. The 845 is very glossy and shiny, #16 is deeper. These 2 can easily fit the bill as beauty waxes.

2) The 476S is not bad looking at all, but there are quite a few awesome looking products ahead of it. I have used 476s for looks alone and no reason to feel ashamed.



Application:

1) Easy runaway, Collinite #845. As easy as S100 to apply/remove

2) #16. Trick is to apply it THIN.

3) 476S. Trick is to apply it THIN. Apply it thick and you better have strong arms or use a PC. If applied thin thin you can even let it sit overnight and remove it without too much effort. I have done it before as experiment.



Personally, I like the 845 so much that if I had a choice of one, and only one LSP, either sealant or carnauba, any brand I would pick the 845. In my opinion is the best all around LSP as it very durable, looks quite close to S100 if you ask me, and application is very easy. Not to mention the price and the fact that 2 drops can cover a panel, so yield is high. It also seems the most resistant to heat, as one of its hallmark applications is on the wheels and it surely performs. As very minor downsides the smell is chemical (neutral) and you need a CLEAN surface for proper bonding, but that is a given. Check my review for it.



My mother-in law van got 476S for a winter in michigan applied thanksgiving. Very seldom tunnel car washes, so in some cases the slat stayed on the paint for a few weeks. By the end of March it was still beading quite nicely.....



The durability I gave for them is obviously YMMV, it depends on wheather, washes and how clean the surface was. I made the mistake to apply 476S to a not very clean surface and to my surprise 2 weeks later the famous beads-that-won't-die were gone......





Alex
 
AlexRuiz said:
3) Meguiars #16: Lasted 50 years unchanged for a reason. 3-5 months



just picked up the last tin of megs #16 at a local supply store! paid $13.95 (pretty reasonable i guess, since they don't make it anymore), but heck... it beats ordering/paying for shipping, etc... :woot:
 
rayvenn said:
What's up with this [IW reformulation]? Is this another VOC compliance thing?



Do you know if any of the reformulated version is out? i.e. if I order some now, can I be (relatively) sure of getting the original? I have one bottle as an experiment, and like it pretty well.



Dang. Just bought five tins of #16 ..... I'm gonna look like a warehouse here ....



Don't feel bad, I got a case each of #16 and 476S :D



Yeah, it's a VOC thing. I haven't spoken with the guys at Collinite since last fall, but at that time they were still working on the new versions of their waxes.
 
A CASE ACCUMULATOR!! :shocked Your actions sure give meaning to your screen name! I'm sure Accumlatorette just loves it!



I picked up 2 cans of #16, 476s and 3 bottles of IW all b/c of the VOC thing (and #16 being discontinued).



1 can will last me 5 years. I keep it in my cool, dark basement. So that's plenty for me :D



Nice write up Alex :xyxthumbs



To be frank, unless you have used #16, 476s, IW and Blitz (I have), then you really can't comment. A lot of folks say #16 because that's what is popular here.



The reality is 476s is the longest lasting...PERIOD!



All the others mentioned here (Nattys, s100, #16, Blitz) make for wonderful toppers.



Currently I have 3 coats of Blitz (applied a week apart) on top of 476s.
 
AlexRuiz said:


Personally, I like the 845 so much that if I had a choice of one, and only one LSP, either sealant or carnauba, any brand I would pick the 845. In my opinion is the best all around LSP as it very durable, looks quite close to S100 if you ask me, and application is very easy. Not to mention the price and the fact that 2 drops can cover a panel, so yield is high. It also seems the most resistant to heat, as one of its hallmark applications is on the wheels and it surely performs. As very minor downsides the smell is chemical (neutral) and you need a CLEAN surface for proper bonding, but that is a given.






My thoughts exactly:cool:
 
Spilchy- Well, a "case" is only 12 tins. Heh heh, Accumulatorette couldn't care less; there's a reason why that name stuck with her ;) and she's not hypocritical.



Ours is in the basement too, with the Moet and the Taittinger :D
 
Accumulator said:
Don't feel bad, I got a case each of #16 and 476S :D



Yeah, it's a VOC thing. I haven't spoken with the guys at Collinite since last fall, but at that time they were still working on the new versions of their waxes.



Please include my name in your will..... make sure you also get a case of 845 :D
 
AlexRuiz said:
...make sure you also get a case of 845 :D



I dunno, I just don't care for the 845. Nothing against it really, and I recommend it to friends, but when I'm gonna use a wax (instead of SG/UPP/etc.), I want to use a paste, and one that I'm familiar with. I've been using the 476S and the #16 (and Souveran) for so long that using them has become more than a little emotional on my part. Good thing they're good products!



But yeah, anybody who likes the old-school products had better stock up while they can.
 
Will the new formulas have some kind of label change to indicate the VOC issue? I just bought a bottle of IW, and would love to know that it's the OLD stuff.



Is CarQuest in Arizona?
 
CottyGee said:
I've learned that the concensus seems to be that wax is not "durable" protection. Rather, sealants are the way to get long-lasting protection.



I live in Phoenix, where we have weeks of 110ºF+ days. I'm using the Klasse twins on my '05 300C.



AZ is a really tough test and certainly, carnauba wax will not provide a long lasting application in that kind of heat. In more temperate zones , waxes like Collinite ,#16 might be adequate as long as the detailer keeps on top of it. I have never had a Carnauba wax that I could apply and just forget it for long.
 
stogie1020 said:
Will the new formulas have some kind of label change to indicate the VOC issue? I just bought a bottle of IW, and would love to know that it's the OLD stuff.




Ditto that. Just bought one based on recommendations in Autopia threads ...



Does anyone know if the new version is out yet? If so, is there a label change, did the color of the product change, etc?
 
TOGWT said:
Thanks Accumalator I will call them as I'm intersted to know if there is any polymer in with 'mix'as well as it's melting point

JonM



Telephone conversation 04.12.05: "Collinite 476-S Carnauba wax has a Melting point of 132 â€â€œ 143oF (132.8 - 143.6)"

JonM
 
The Insulator Wax is the one that is more of a synthetic sealant so I'm assuming it can hold to a bit higher temperature.
 
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