Durabilty or Frequency?

Collinite 476S sounds like a good product but I'm not sure how much better it is than Z-5. I think I just might stick to my original plan.



J
 
Nimble said:
I'm just stirring thought because it seems as though Zaino lovers will go to great lengths to downplay any benefits to a wax. No hard feelings, I have used Zaino and like it....not on my Dad's red NSX though, the wax looked better but that's another story. :bolt
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I've read a lot around here lately and I agree with the wax vs. Zaino thoughts. I've read that waxes are outdated however, it seems that a lot of people still like them.



J
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Silver is a great candidate for a sealant like Zaino even without a "show car" Prep.



Maroon if it is metallic will also work great..
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Heh heh, this is one of those fairly rare occasions when blkZ28Conv and I don't see eye-to-eye :eek:



Silver vehicles? I have, uhm...counting...five of 'em and only two are sealant-worthy *IMO*.



Maroon metallic? That was the color I tried Klasse on (my late uncle's Outback) and should've used 1Z/wax.





Regulars here know that blkZ28Conv and Accumulator aren't gonna :argue about this stuff and OK, OK, I'm gonna give it a rest having more than said my piece :o



Johnny27- There's a great quote from a guy who worked for the PPG company: "Find something you like and use it often". You're not gonna go wrong with any of the advice you get around here, it's all coke vs. pepsi in the end.



And, heh heh, Nimble's statement about my always being right makes me want to run and hide anyhow ;) So...:bolt
 
Johnnie27 said:
Let me rephrase, I'd rather hang out with my 1 year old son then clean my truck. When I was single, not married, no kids, I was always cleaning my vehicles.



J
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I hear you Johnnie27, but take it from a guy with a two year old and a 3 month old, you may get to a point where you start wanting to go out to the garage once in a while to "get away from it all" :bolt



I will also give my support to the Collinite idea. I bought it for the first time in the fall. It was extremely easy to put on and buff off, and I'm coming up soon on 5 months with it. I'll hopefully get a chance this weekend to wash it and see how well it's still holding up (since it's covered in so much salt right now). :up
 
Accumulator said:
Heh heh, this is one of those fairly rare occasions when blkZ28Conv and I don't see eye-to-eye :eek:



Silver vehicles? I have, uhm...counting...five of 'em and only two are sealant-worthy *IMO*.



Maroon metallic? That was the color I tried Klasse on (my late uncle's Outback) and should've used 1Z/wax.





Regulars here know that blkZ28Conv and Accumulator aren't gonna :argue about this stuff and OK, OK, I'm gonna give it a rest having more than said my piece :o



Johnny27- There's a great quote from a guy who worked for the PPG company: "Find something you like and use it often". You're not gonna go wrong with any of the advice you get around here, it's all coke vs. pepsi in the end.



And, heh heh, Nimble's statement about my always being right makes me want to run and hide anyhow ;) So...:bolt
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Accumulator, that's why is it always interesting and meaningful to discuss detailing with you. You always have salient points and have actually used all the products that we discuss.

Maybe, my observations are skewed because my silver vehicles were always the easiest to detail compared to all the black ones that I now have and refuse to drive or have sold.

I'm outta here too.:bolt
 
Grimm said:
I hear you Johnnie27, but take it from a guy with a two year old and a 3 month old, you may get to a point where you start wanting to go out to the garage once in a while to "get away from it all" :bolt
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I'm getting there. My wife's pregnant with our second child and my son makes his way around the house pretty fast and picks up everything off the floor within his site.



I guess I can't go wrong with any of these products mentioned. It seems from my reading that Collinite is pretty durable.



J
 
Nimble said:
Right, but I 'think' what Accumulator is saying (and I agree with), is that even a 90% finish will see benefit to a 'slight' filer glaze/carnauba combo. While I'm sure your cars are great looking, can you really say they are 100% marr free and wouldn't benefit in the slightest from a glaze/carnauba combo? I'm just stirring thought because it seems as though Zaino lovers will go to great lengths to downplay any benefits to a wax. No hard feelings, I have used Zaino and like it....not on my Dad's red NSX though, the wax looked better but that's another story. :bolt
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I,m back ;)

Nimble, never any hard feelings here. That's what is so great about this forum. We may have heated discussions but in the end we all know that we love detailing and beautifully finishes and in effect we are a "cult of the few".



My vehicles perfect? The driven ones not by a long shot but marr-free to the point where a glaze will not hide blemishes that I refuse to eliminate on a daily driver.



My C5's. near perfect where a canuaba/glaze would not be satisfactory. If a waxes/glaze can hide it, I can eliminate it.



:bolt
 
I think Accumulator brings up a good point..a polish some masking ability and a durable Nuba would be a very forgiving and practical solution, especially if you want to work by hand.



Durability doesn't mean scratch/swirl resistance..even if I put a 12 month wax/sealant on my daily driver, it's going to need a polishing well before then
 
sspeer said:
I think Accumulator brings up a good point..a polish some masking ability and a durable Nuba would be a very forgiving and practical solution, especially if you want to work by hand.



Durability doesn't mean scratch/swirl resistance..even if I put a 12 month wax/sealant on my daily driver, it's going to need a polishing well before then
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I think that's where the 6 month durability sealents "fit in." Clay, light buff, reseal twice a year. For "waxers" like myself, I do the twice a year clay/buff, but add the full wax treatment every 3 months, and quick wax/QD in between. :sadwavey:
 
From a durability standpoint, I think both would be fine. From a shine/appearance standpoint, I think both would be very nice also. However, from a price standpoint, I believe the Collinite will be a more cheaper choice :)
 
I'd use PB's SSR1, Polish with Carnauba, and either Natty's Blue or Collinite 476S. You could always apply the 476 then after your first wash, apply the Nattys.



If your paint isn't that marred, the SSR 1 will be fine with a white or even orange pad if you need to remove more marring.
 
Heh heh, I'm back too :o This thread must be setting a record for the use of the "bolt" emoticon :D



blkZ28Conv said:
Accumulator... You always have salient points and have actually used all the products that we discuss...
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Well, I don't have any first-hand experience with ZAIO and that makes me a little leery about commenting on it vs. something else. I'm trying to extrapolate from presumably similar products that I *have* used, but that's risky.



Johnny27 said:
I've read that waxes are outdated however, it seems that a lot of people still like them...
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I've read some of the "waxes are obsolete" comments too, and they get me :rolleyes: IMO most people who slam entire categories like that either a) have an agenda or, b) have no relevant first-hand experience with what they're criticizing.



Some sealants are truly special. So are some waxes. Neither one is gonna replace the other any time soon, and for good reason ;)
 
Accumulator said:
Heh heh, I'm back too :o This thread must be setting a record for the use of the "bolt" emoticon :D







Well, I don't have any first-hand experience with ZAIO and that makes me a little leery about commenting on it vs. something else. I'm trying to extrapolate from presumably similar products that I *have* used, but that's risky.
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That's my point. You referenced products you have experiences with and presented other alternatives in terms of required prep that an AIO may not handle. :2thumbs:
 
blkZ28Conv- Ah, OK, gotcha..now I see what you meant. I just didn't like assuming that ZAIO was all that similar to Klasse AIO/Autoglym SRP/etc. etc. but I suspect somebody would've called me on it by now if I'd been off-base.
 
Accumulator said:
Heh heh, I'm back too :o This thread must be setting a record for the use of the "bolt" emoticon :D







Well, I don't have any first-hand experience with ZAIO and that makes me a little leery about commenting on it vs. something else. I'm trying to extrapolate from presumably similar products that I *have* used, but that's risky.







I've read some of the "waxes are obsolete" comments too, and they get me :rolleyes: IMO most people who slam entire categories like that either a) have an agenda or, b) have no relevant first-hand experience with what they're criticizing.



Some sealants are truly special. So are some waxes. Neither one is gonna replace the other any time soon, and for good reason ;)
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Hey, Accumulator-



Just like you I read all the Zaino must be used on a flawless finish or it looks like crap threads but my experience is the opposite. I used Z2pro on my Mom's pewter metallic and it looks quite nice-I didn't have time to polish it prior to winter. IMO Zaino didn't highlight defects any more than any other sealant I've used. The exception is comparing it to heavy oily waxes like Megs. I don't think Collinite waxes do much filling as they don't use oils. The difference is probably more a result of the thickness of the wax film that Collinite leaves on the surface.
 
Accumulator said:
blkZ28Conv- Ah, OK, gotcha..now I see what you meant. I just didn't like assuming that ZAIO was all that similar to Klasse AIO/Autoglym SRP/etc. etc. but I suspect somebody would've called me on it by now if I'd been off-base.
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Actually ZAIO has it limitation like other AIO's but it does have a nice bite if used in a certain manner (PC with pad variation). That was the reason I threw out the comment about using a terry 100% cotton towel as a polishing pad for hand application. Terry has a good bite and this method will alleviate a finish that has minor marring at the same time laying down protection and appearance augmentation (shine, gloss, reflectivity).
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Actually ZAIO has it limitation like other AIO's but it does have a nice bite if used in a certain manner (PC with pad variation). That was the reason I threw out the comment about using a terry 100% cotton towel as a polishing pad for hand application. Terry has a good bite and this method will alleviate a finish that has minor marring at the same time laying down protection and appearance augmentation (shine, gloss, reflectivity).
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I wonder if ZAIO with an orange or green pad would be able to replace a fine finishing polish:nixweiss
 
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