dry paint or how to feed paint?

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I tried to do a search on this but the key words I used seem to common and I get thousands of threads not dealing with the questions I have. If anyone has suggestions for better key words to search please let me know. Anyway…



I have read some discussions about the condition of paint being “dry� or needing “fed� after age or after using some products or processes (i.e. using alcohol/water solution dries the paint out). I am concerned about this on a couple of vehicles I am going to do some detailing on (one with single stage paint). What products and/or prep processes does everyone recommend for “feeding� the paint?



A second related question. What prep process and/or product would feed the paint if the final protection is by a sealant such as Zaino? One of the cars will be Zainoed and the other will probably be a carnauba or a carnauba/resin mix like Poorboys EX. Thanks for the help.
 
Paint is not alive. It does not need "feeding" "nourishing" "oiling", etc etc etc. :rolleyes: :down



If your paint looks "dry" (ie, chalky, white, dull) it's probably oxidized and needs polishing with an appropriately abrasive product, depending on how bad it is.
 
4DSC said:
Paint is not alive. It does not need "feeding" "nourishing" "oiling", etc etc etc. :rolleyes: :down



If your paint looks "dry" (ie, chalky, white, dull) it's probably oxidized and needs polishing with an appropriately abrasive product, depending on how bad it is.
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This is what I thought but I was beginning to doubt myself with the amount of comments that I read in threads in the archives about alcohol/water solutions drying out paint, etc.
 
Thanks for being such a good sport, bet993. Yeah, like 4DSC said, paint is not and never was "alive." Probably what you're seeing is heavy oxidation. Do you have any pix of the vehicles you need to detail? I'm having good results -- but on a SINGLE-stage paint (probably not what you have) -- with 3M RC. Folks (especially Jngrbrdman) with clearcoat seem to adore Klasse AIO. Give us more details, and I'm sure you'll get more helpful recommendations.
 
Truthfully I was not concerned with my paint being "dry" right now. I was more concerned with using the Alcohol/water solution and "drying" it out (I have seen this mentioned so many times).



The car is a 96 Porsche Carrera. It has a single stage paint that is speed yellow. Since the paint is such a light color (compared to something like black) it really hides any imperfections to the normal on looker. However, I see some swirl marks and marring under bright sun and want to remedy this. The car currently has zaino (old formula) on it. The plan is to do a full detail in the next month or so. At this point I plan on claying and then using Menzerna IP and FP with the PC and then go into the Zaino products (new formula). Side question anyone know whether Z3 was reformulated along with Z2?



Oxidation is an interesting issue. It appears that there may be some slight oxidation however, with the color it is difficult to tell. I was basically going to use the IP& FP and see what happened. I was going to have on hand some AIO just to see what it did. My concern with AIO, is on what to do next to prep for the zaino (haven’t gotten around to search for this answer yet). I have been considering Poorboy’s EX (probably going to use on my wife’s car). Not sure what I am going to do yet. The car is not necessarily a daily driver so it can sit in the garage during all of this experimenting and prepping.



I first want to experiment with the PC and some products on my beater daily driver that is horrible shape (probably never been detailed) and my wife’s car. My wife’s car is clear coated for sure so that will be a little different. Not sure on the beater, it is a heavily oxidized (or faded) red, which leads me to think single stage paint (need to do the polish test).



My wife’s car is black and I have not been real happy with the old zaino on it (too plastic saran wrap looking). I want more depth but I want the durability of zaino because it is daily driven and the winters are somewhat harsh around here. Topping doesn’t seem like the ticket for me as I am concerned with the comments Sal has made to Deanski about carnauba toppers actually breaking down the zaino bond. I am thinking of trying the Poorboys EX. I have read some interesting reviews on it. I am patiently waiting for new result from the “mini test� that Geekysteve is conducting with applying EX differently.



So that is my story. Suggestions? Comments?
 
Hey Brian,

I expect the Menzerna products will remove the swirls/marring you're referring to based on the feedback here. I've used 3M PI-IIIMG on my single stage guards red Porsche with great results so if you haven't purchased the Menzerna I would consider the 3M product. The orange pads from CMA or Griot's I particularly like. They are easy to use and will work in most "cutting" and "finishing" scenarios. I chose them as I'm only moderately experienced with the PC and they're very forgiving.



I'm also an AIO/SG convert and think its results on single stage paint are excellent. I would adhere to the dry/cure recommendations for SG of dry 1-2 hours/cure 24 hours pretty religiously. I got a little haze when I tried to reduce these.:o I also like AIO/SG because you can apply a topper which made a huge finishing difference in my car. I have used Pinnacle and Blitz and was very pleased with both of those.



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I haven’t tried Zaino and am actually looking forward to it. I understand there is some debate on the topper but in any event I may try it on my wife's BMW.



SY is one of my favorite Porsche colors and any correct combination of the products you're thinking about will just be outstanding, IMHO. Don't forget to post some pics and which products/processes you use.



Good luck,



Russ
 
Russ,



Is that a 968? Cab or coupe? Good looking car.



I have the orange power pad and the yellow cutting and the white pads. I am not experienced with the PC and will be practicing on other cars before attempting it on my baby.



Question for you on the single stage usage. Did it really gunk up your pads? Were you able to clean them up or were they permanently guards red? What did you think of the Porsche single stage paint? It seems thick and rather easy to work with.
 
Thanks, good eye, it is a 968 coupe. Great idea to experiment a bit.



Here's some more info on the preparation I recently completed on my car.



http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=26623



Overall I was pretty impressed with the paint. It's great as it is very thick and well applied but you'll see a little orange peel.



Yeah, you will gum up the pads pretty good if you are doing some cutting...



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This is a pic of a pad on the way to be cleaned next to a new one.





I would after several passes remove the pad from the PC and rinse in the sink with hot water, then wring it out and set it in the sun for a few minutes while I took a break or did something else. I'd then, while still outside, put the pad back on, turn up the speed all the way and turn on the PC and "spin" off any remaining water (don’t forget to turn the speed back down). You'll want to make sure you're not close to anything important. :D I cleaned the pad about 8 times for the whole car, about once per panel. I probably didn't need to do that much but I wanted to be on the safe side. They did clean up pretty well but you can tell I worked on a red car.



The best suggestion I can give you is the one Accumulator gave me...there's plenty of paint on these cars so don't be afraid to add a little pressure during your first few passes...



In practice I did use more pressure than I had ever used with a more abrasive product and the results were very good.



Keep us posted and take some pics as you go.



Russ
 
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