Does the SSR line contain fillers?

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You know, at times I feel that there are a few folks on this forum that may be shills against Poorboy's. Maybe CG is giving free products to these guys to drum up biz. With the level of zeal in the repeated attacks by a few memebers, it calls the objectivity of some posts into question.



This sort of zealousness has turned me off from trying certain products that have strong followings (one rhymes with Drano)...if this sort of thing is allowed to continue on Autopia unchecked it will affect the credibility of the forum.
 
mtodde said:
if this sort of thing is allowed to continue on Autopia unchecked it will affect the credibility of the forum.
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Sounds pretty similar to what I wrote David last night, except I said it "is" affecting the credibility of the forum.
 
mtodde said:
This sort of zealousness has turned me off from trying certain products that have strong followings (one rhymes with Drano)...if this sort of thing is allowed to continue on Autopia unchecked it will affect the credibility of the forum.
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What cracks me up is you make accusations of others being overly zealous, when it's exactly how you act with Poorboy's products. You guys are considered the Poorboy's Zealots and may be turning people away from Poorboy's products.



To quote you: "The pot calls the kettle black...and shows no shame."



Do I care who makes Poorboy's? No. I like to use SSR 2.5 and occassionally PWC, and I will continue to use them.
 
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"You know, at times I feel that there are a few folks on this forum that may be shills against Poorboy's. Maybe CG is giving free products to these guys to drum up biz. With the level of zeal in the repeated attacks by a few memebers, it calls the objectivity of some posts into question."



I think you are pretty much correct but your statement is backwards. If you replace CG with Poorboy and Poorboy with CG I would agree 100%.
 
ZaneO said:
What cracks me up is you make accusations of others being overly zealous, when it's exactly how you act with Poorboy's products. You guys are considered the Poorboy's Zealots and may be turning people away from Poorboy's products.



To quote you: "The pot calls the kettle black...and shows no shame."



Do I care who makes Poorboy's? No. I like to use SSR 2.5 and occassionally PWC, and I will continue to use them.
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Just for clarification purposes on my part, this whole debate in my mind has very little to do with the actual product manufacturers and only to do with false accusations being made. The company being questioned by burlyQ could be any company in my mind. I just don't feel it's appropriate to make accusations against a company when the owner has stated that they are his own formulations directly and through well respected members of this forum (scottwax). Why can't that be good enough so we can move on from this? I've always enjoyed your reviews and advice ZaneO and maybe you can persuade this member to get off his crusade to discredit a company. I've tried and it's only led to less than desirable PM's.:)
 
I agree that the products of any manufacturer shouldn't be pushed on anyone to use no matter what the cost savings, thoughts on performance or whatever. You should use whatever YOU want to use. I personally have used some of the CG's products and have my opinion of them. It's not really that convenient to buy, store and rebottle from the gallon when we're talking about a sealant. Wherever it is that Steve gets his products from, whoever formulates them really doesn't matter to me as even if they are simply rebottled, the convenience of the smaller bottles in many cases is worth the extra costs. Think about how long it would take to use a gallon of a sealant unless you are extremely high volume. Now think about having 2-3 gallons of sealant and 2-3 gallons of wax and that's more than many people will use in a lifetime and doesn't give a chance to deal with the OCD that most of us have here. Steve's customer support is top notch and WORTH it.



I get nothing free from CG's even though they are just a few minutes from my house. I have seen product demos just as anyone else that goes there can(any Joe off the street).



My 2 pennies.....
 
94BlkStang - I hear where you're coming from. And I understand that there may be false accusations coming from both sides.



My issue is that people keep calling all these other folks zealots of whatever product, when they themselves appear to be zealots which have the same negative effects on others and the forum.



:)
 
Defending Poorboy's against potential slander is not being a zealot. The point is that everything posted by the troll is arbitrary; there have not been any actual facts put on the table to warrant the very discussion that puts reputation and credibility at risk.



Until the administrator of this site steps in and puts a stop to the cause of this nonsense, it will only continue to discredit the forum and a reputable company. Simply closing threads is not the solution.



This is a case in which we need to only deal with FACTS, not opinions!
 
Well, defending any product against potential slander is not being a zealot, but MANY people get accused of being zealots for that purpose.



YOU don't get to decide what actions should/need to be taken on this forum.
 
It would be libel, not slander.



And if what is being posted is really libelous all Steve would have to do is come here once, state with no ifs, ands or buts that the products are not the same and threaten to sue any individual who states that they are.



I met Steve at a car show a few years back. When I asked specific questions about his products he did not seem knowledgeable about his products. There was no way I was going to purchase from him.



"there have not been any actual facts put on the table to warrant the very discussion"

These are FACTS

SSR3 is the same COLOR as CGC-3

SSR2 is the same COLOR as CGC-2

SSR1 is the same COLOR as CGC-1

SSR2.5 is the same COLOR as Laser Buff Scratch and Swirl Remover



Being the same color for comparable products doesn't in itself prove that they are the same products but it just seems very hard to believe that it is a complete coincidence that they are the same color.



It is not my OPINION that they are the same color, it is FACT.
 
RIC said:
And if what is being posted is really libelous all Steve would have to do is come here once, state with no ifs, ands or buts that the products are not the same and threaten to sue any individual who states that they are.
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According to the sticky in the hot tub, he's not allowed to post here unless he is an official sponsor (or maybe if someone asks him in the Ask the Manuf forum? If so, how come the persons that are so vehemently against Poorboy's products have not asked about it in an area where Steve is allowed to post?). Seeing how folks are treating him with outright contempt, I can understand why he wouldn't want to sponsor us.



One thing that does need to stop is the he said - she said stuff.. Allusions to private messages and emails and this and that are not reliable sources for backing claims. They are simply hearsay and conjecture. Scuttlebutt. Find on-the-record sources to back your claims or don't say anything at all! Not aimed at anyone in particular...



I guess I'm guilty of this now, but it's getting kinda sickening how any thread mentioning Poorboy's products turns in to a flamefest. Makes it hard for good information concerning their usage to be passed around when people on both sides of the argument want to pollute every thread.
 
RIC said:
It would be libel, not slander.



And if what is being posted is really libelous all Steve would have to do is come here once, state with no ifs, ands or buts that the products are not the same and threaten to sue any individual who states that they are.



Originally posted by Scottwax



have you actually done some chemical analysis of both products or perhaps have something sort of documentation that links the two? I have e-mailed Steve personally and he states he has his own chemist who he works with to develop his products and who he buys his bulk chemicals from (I won't mention the two companies unless I hear from him saying it is okay) and neither is Chemical Guys. Unless someone proves to me Steve is lying about how he developes his products, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. You know, innocent until proving guilty. You are the one making the accusations, the burden of proof is on your shoulders.





Being the same color for comparable products doesn't in itself prove that they are the same products but it just seems very hard to believe that it is a complete coincidence that they are the same color.



It is not my OPINION that they are the same color, it is FACT.
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I went to the store the other day and purchased two 2 bottles of Orange Soda. One made by Coca Cola and one a generic brand. They were both orange, both smellled like orange soda and both tasted like orange soda. Those are all facts, but that doesn't lead me to a conclusion that they are the same formula or even that the generic brand is made by Coca Cola.



I've spent 27 years in the chemical industry and have seen and formulated products that perform, look and smell very similar but one will have higher quality ingredients and a slightly different formulation. I would venture a guess that the majority of polishes are very similar in ingredients and formulation, but one will possibly use a higher grade of a similar components. A toll blender like CG could even use the colorants and the fragrance for a company so they won't have to change out their lines to keep costs down, but use a different formulation with premium ingredients.:)
 
Steve(Poorboys) actually did post here that he has HIS OWN chemist- either you believe him or don't- but to continue to post that he relabels products without him being able to defend himself and product is IMO using this forum irresponsibly and obviously is done with some form of malice.
 
RIC said:
It would be libel, not slander.



And if what is being posted is really libelous all Steve would have to do is come here once, state with no ifs, ands or buts that the products are not the same and threaten to sue any individual who states that they are.



I met Steve at a car show a few years back. When I asked specific questions about his products he did not seem knowledgeable about his products. There was no way I was going to purchase from him.



"there have not been any actual facts put on the table to warrant the very discussion"

These are FACTS

SSR3 is the same COLOR as CGC-3

SSR2 is the same COLOR as CGC-2

SSR1 is the same COLOR as CGC-1

SSR2.5 is the same COLOR as Laser Buff Scratch and Swirl Remover



Being the same color for comparable products doesn't in itself prove that they are the same products but it just seems very hard to believe that it is a complete coincidence that they are the same color.



It is not my OPINION that they are the same color, it is FACT.
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Gee, my Toyota is silver. I saw a silver Ferrari today (and it wasn't as shiny as the Solara)...does that mean that my Solara is a Ferrari in disguise or that Toyota makes Ferraris? :nixweiss



My Rotel audio gear is black & silver. Mark Levinson audio gear is black in silver. Does that mean they are the same? NO.



As I posted in an earlier thread, I'd hate to have someone new to detailing not try a great product because a few folks have a hidden agenda.



It seems like a few folks are involved in every controversial thread and they try to cry innocent. I'm not and have not pointed out anyone specifically. but if the shoe fits wear it.



It is apparent that David and the mods will continue to let this sort of stuff continue which makes me question whether or not I need to spend my time contributing here. I could be detailing my car! I spent the last few months pretty tied up with a project at work and for the last week or so I've had a break so I've been able to participate more, but not like I used to. Starting Monday I'll be pretty tied up at least until the end of June. If Autopia continues to fall apart and let a handful of folks carry out attacks on products and vendors then I can't see it being worth my time to participate. If you look at the posts that certain members make, you'll see that in every thread they always seem to be trying to instigate something. I predict that Autopia will see its membership and activity decline unless something is done ro remove these individuals.



Will this be my last post? Time will tell. My closing comment is a cliche...if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

:nono
 
THIS THREAD WAS TO DISCUSS IF IT HAD FILLERS NOT IF WAS SOME OTHER PRODUCT.



If you are on a witch hunt please start your own thread, I think this thread was informative until this came about.
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
THIS THREAD WAS TO DISCUSS IF IT HAD FILLERS NOT IF WAS SOME OTHER PRODUCT.



If you are on a witch hunt please start your own thread, I think this thread was informative until this came about.
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You are exactly right. The original topic has been lost for quite some time now.





Guys, this is the final warning. I have received multiple PM's from various members complaining about the bickering between the same members. Basically, everyone is complaining about everyone. I'm hearing it all: zealots, bashers, personal attacks, slander, etc. You name it and I have the complaint for it.



We don't have any control over what people say on here, but we certainly do have control over who participates, and this all ends here.



It's time for some people to start understanding that different people have different opinions, and if you don't like it, then it's time to start using the ignore button.



Now I'd like to get back to discussing detailing.
 
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