Does the SSR line contain fillers?

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Warner chemical affilated with CG?

Its a just question, I dont wanna get beat up here :D
 
Okay guys, let's try to keep this on topic or it's going to have to get thrown out like yesterday's trash.





As a response to the *original* question, I don't believe that there are enough *fillers* in the PB's SSR's to be worried about. Just like a few have mentioned already, I'm sure there are some silicones and/or oils in it which are needed to extend working time and be workable in the sun, but nothing in the way of a *glaze* type product.



PB's polishes are very good and get the job done. If you work the product correctly, you will in fact remove the defects and not just cover them up.
 
Burly,



I don't see the relevance of the Warner mention...we went over this in the Quamen thread. Steve is probably using them or someone else to do "toll processing"...this does not mean that he does not have unique formulations.



I don't care who Steve uses as long as he is adding value to the design and testing. It's probably unrealistic to expect a small company like Poorboy's to make everything anyway.
 
SilverLexus said:
I think you have to be careful with IPA since it is a strong chemical...you can probably more easily tell by looking closely and by feeling the surface, maybe with the "baggie test".
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The IPA mix is fine for use to remove oils and/or fillers in between polishing steps. It could be an issue for materials like trim or plastic cladding. It's not terribly strong. I even dip my fingers in it and wipe them to remove the oil from my skin before running them on the totally "naked" paint. The "baggie test" in addition sounds good.
 
Bill,



Isn't there a way to get the ingredient composition on chemical compounds?



Isn't there like an MDDS (sic?) list or something that must be filed?



Maybe one way to end the Poorboys debate is to ask Steve who designs and who makes his chemical products...I'll look into this.
 
With threads like this it is no wonder that Steve doesn't post anymore or sponsor Autopia. I don't care who makes Poorboy's products, Steve offers the best customer service and support in the business...and his products work. Sure I might save a few bucks buying other brands, but I trust Poorboy's and I'm willing to pay a little extra to get the level of support they provide.
 
SilverLexus said:
Bill,



Isn't there a way to get the ingredient composition on chemical compounds?



Isn't there like an MDDS (sic?) list or something that must be filed?
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Material Safety Data Sheets have to me made available by law. :) Call up and ask.
 
mtodde said:
With threads like this it is no wonder that Steve doesn't post anymore or sponsor Autopia. I don't care who makes Poorboy's products, Steve offers the best customer service and support in the business...and his products work. Sure I might save a few bucks buying other brands, but I trust Poorboy's and I'm willing to pay a little extra to get the level of support they provide.
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AMEN! :xyxthumbs
 
Lee,



Yes, MSDS are available. However, they do not necessarily answer all questions about chemical content of products.



They generally emphasize only hazardous ingredients and some may be extremely vague about ingredients if really list them at all.



Certain manufacturers are better about listing some of their contents than others. 3m lists ingredients right on the label and Meguiars does a good job of describing ingredients in their MSDS.



However, often only groups of chemicals, not specific ones used are named nor are precise percentages so those who want to know more about chemical content can still be left hanging" by only knowing what very general chemical content may be.
 
mtodde said:
With threads like this it is no wonder that Steve doesn't post anymore or sponsor Autopia. I don't care who makes Poorboy's products, Steve offers the best customer service and support in the business...and his products work. Sure I might save a few bucks buying other brands, but I trust Poorboy's and I'm willing to pay a little extra to get the level of support they provide.
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But it is also ok if some of us would rather not pay huge markups, for the same product, true? It's cool if ya'll like paying extra for service that's ok with me, but they can keep the service and give me the discount.
 
SilverLexus said:
Burly,



I don't see the relevance of the Warner mention...we went over this in the Quamen thread. Steve is probably using them or someone else to do "toll processing"...this does not mean that he does not have unique formulations.
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Sort of like a Lingenfelter Corvette. Sure, the base vehicle may be just a Corvette but it performs at a much higher level because they put a lot of testing and modifications to the base product.
 
Burlyq said:
But it is also ok if some of us would rather not pay huge markups, for the same product, true? It's cool if ya'll like paying extra for service that's ok with me, but they can keep the service and give me the discount.
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If no one is forcing you to use Poorboy's products, why do you care so much?



Someone can go to a tunnel car wash and pay $10 or they can pay me $25-40...and they do. Not just the quality of the work but the personal touch too.
 
Me posting my opinion to toddles and Dookies statement is me caring too much? I was just making a point Scott. BTW have you tried the CG compound? Sample on the way if your interested in saving money in your business.
 
Burlyq said:
Me posting my opinion to toddles and Dookies statement is me caring too much? I was just making a point Scott. BTW have you tried the CG compound? Sample on the way if your interested in saving money in your business.
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Since I also use some of the SSR polishes, I would be included in "ya'll". I still use more Speed Glaze than anything else and I pay about $25 a gallon for it.



Send me a sample if you wish, I'll try pretty much anything at least once. My loyalty is to the products that work best for me. I don't care what the label says as long as I get results.



What I am curious about is what actual physical proof you have to back up your claim that Poorboy's is simply repackaged CG products? Are you basing this simply on similarities between the two or have you actually done some chemical analysis of both products or perhaps have something sort of documentation that links the two? I have e-mailed Steve personally and he states he has his own chemist who he works with to develop his products and who he buys his bulk chemicals from (I won't mention the two companies unless I hear from him saying it is okay) and neither is Chemical Guys. Unless someone proves to me Steve is lying about how he developes his products, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. You know, innocent until proving guilty. You are the one making the accusations, the burden of proof is on your shoulders.
 
Orginally posted by Scottwaxâ„¢ hehe ...
I think any filling properties you get with SSRs are a by-product of the ingredients and not necessarily a completely intended function of the product. I've followed SSR2.5 and 2 quite frequently with AIO (which does tend to remove some of the TS oils in #80) and haven't noticed any degredation of the polishing effect.
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Gotta question scott,



after using SSR 2.5 and 2, did you then apply #80 followed by AIO or SSR 2.5 --> 2--> AIO?



Have you noticed anything when applying AIO over #80 if at all you ever did that?
 
What I am saying is when using AIO directly after the SSRs, I see no reappearance of any swirls I removed. With #80, I have. Not to a large degree of course because #80 will remove swirls too but if I didn't get them all out, AIO makes it obvious.
 
Scottwax said:
have you actually done some chemical analysis of both products or perhaps have something sort of documentation that links the two? I have e-mailed Steve personally and he states he has his own chemist who he works with to develop his products and who he buys his bulk chemicals from (I won't mention the two companies unless I hear from him saying it is okay) and neither is Chemical Guys. Unless someone proves to me Steve is lying about how he developes his products, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. You know, innocent until proving guilty. You are the one making the accusations, the burden of proof is on your shoulders.
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I don't think I'll be doing a chemical analysis, so you can either believe all of the other posters or not. I have half the mind to send you all my PM's but since you will only trust in a chemical analysis I guess there is no reason to waste energy. Warner chemical is actually the CO behind CG, and I would bet that's one of them? I chose to take the burden off my shoulders and put it on his if that's ok. All the PM's is all I need, I have lower standard of proof than ya'll, this aint court. I can understand the other people not caring much about the money they spend but you are a pro, I would think you'd be eager to make more money. That's money that could be going in your kids college fund.
 
I just received some information from Steve in 2 different emails. First, his chemist is "his own" and second, his chemist does not work for Chemical Guys or Warner Chemical.



Steve explained that in this business you are limited to few chemical suppliers...these suppliers wanted to just repackage for him with maybe but Steve did not want that. He wanted better products. By working with this chemist he found a way to move beyond standard products and design new products in conjunction with the chemist. Thus, Poorboys products are in fact designed by Steve and his chemist. Any similarities in product is due to similar color or chemicals, or in the case of polish the fact that every polish has abrasives.



You can rely on the fact that different formulations create different performance. Thus, when you buy Poorboys you get a specific performance. As to whether you can get the same level of performance from other products for less money, that is up to you to decide.



Bottom line: when you buy Poorboys you are getting a unique formulation.
 
Burlyq said:
I don't think I'll be doing a chemical analysis, so you can either believe all of the other posters or not. I have half the mind to send you all my PM's but since you will only trust in a chemical analysis I guess there is no reason to waste energy. Warner chemical is actually the CO behind CG, and I would bet that's one of them? I chose to take the burden off my shoulders and put it on his if that's ok. All the PM's is all I need, I have lower standard of proof than ya'll, this aint court. I can understand the other people not caring much about the money they spend but you are a pro, I would think you'd be eager to make more money. That's money that could be going in your kids college fund.
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You just won't give up will you? How many threads have you closed already over this ridiculous argument? Scottwax was dead on with his post and is exactly what I have said to you on several occassions. Give up this stupid crusade. Use the products you feel comfortable using and let's get this forum back to discussing products without making baseless ASSumptions (and no, color, feel and performance similarities are not a basis for your conclusion. ):nono
 
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