Does Einszett 1Z PP have fillers?

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Milestones

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I am planning on using 1Z PP as a hand polish and topping it with Duragloss 105.



I've heard lots of good things about 1Z PP as an effective hand polish - maybe one of the best polishes (along with the more aggressive 1Z Ultra/Extra) for use by hand.



My question is - does PP have any fillers - or is it a pure polish?



More importantly, if I use Duragloss SMR as an intermediary step between the PP and 105, will it remove the fillers and actually make the appearence worse instead of better?



Should I just skip the SMR and go directly from the PP to the DG 105?



Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
 
Milestones, no, it is not a pure polish - at least not in the classic Meguiar's sense. It contains abrasives and most importantly wax. It fills to a certain extent, but it gives a little bit of protection as well.
 
PakShak carries the Einszett product line.



Bence - thanks for the info.



I guess I will just put the DG 105 over the 1Z PP. I'm assuming 105 will have no problem bonding to the PP.
 
1ZPP contains various oils and carnauba wax, so it does have better filling properties than many other polishes that I've used. Excellent product.
 
Milestones- You might post back about how the DG 105 works over the 1Z PP. I only use carnaubas over 1Z polishes so I dunno what other LSPs you can use without issues.



I myself wouldn't strip off the 1Z's waxes/etc. just to allow the use of a certain LSP, but that's just me. FWIW I usually use #16 or Collinite over 1Z PP. Noting that I've never used the DG 105, I can't imagine somebody being unhappy with how the 1Z/Collinite combo looks. IMO to get something looking better than that you'd have to adjust the prep to include more final polishing, i.e., taking the whole thing to a completely different level. The choice of LSP isn't gonna make that kind of difference so I'd use something that's OK with the PP.
 
Anybody else know whether DG 105 would have problems bonding directly to 1Z PP?



Doesn't the 1Z PP contain a polymer sealant for protection in addition to the polishing ingredients? Since DG 105 is a polymer sealant - wouldn't it bond to the PP?



Whatchya think?
 
I'm kind of wondering the same thing myself since I just put a coat of 105 topped with AW over 1Z MP yesterday.
 
Milestones said:
Anybody else know whether DG 105 would have problems bonding directly to 1Z PP?



Doesn't the 1Z PP contain a polymer sealant for protection in addition to the polishing ingredients? Since DG 105 is a polymer sealant - wouldn't it bond to the PP?



Whatchya think?
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I think you're confusing it with 1Z Glanz Wax concerning the Polymer sealant point. I got it straight from the horse's mouth that Glanz Wax is the former, but PP is NOT polymer based.



** Note, however that Glanz Wax also contains a strong solvent (designed for removal of wax/other residues upon application), so as far as I know, even it cannot be applied over other polymer formulas.
 
Yeah I must have been confusing the Glanz Wax with the PP.



But it also seems that since they have a polymer sealant based LSP product (Glanz Wax) -that 1Z wouldn't make a line of polishes that would create problems with the ability of a polymer sealant to bond over their polishes. Of course they recommend putting Glanz Wax over their polishes - so why should another polymer sealant like 105 have a problem bonding to PP?



Or - to put it differently - is there something unique about Glanz Wax that allows it as a polymer sealant to bond to 1Z polishes containing carnauba and oils where other polymer selants would not be able to bond to the 1Z polishes?





Also, how finnicky is DG 105 in general about what it will bond to?



My only previous experience with 105 is over AIO or the DG PBA.



Is 105 as finnicky as KSG about what it will bond to?
 
Milestones said:
Yeah I must have been confusing the Glanz Wax with the PP.



But it also seems that since they have a polymer sealant based LSP product (Glanz Wax) -that 1Z wouldn't make a line of polishes that would create problems with the ability of a polymer sealant to bond over their polishes. Of course they recommend putting Glanz Wax over their polishes - so why should another polymer sealant like 105 have a problem bonding to PP?



Or - to put it differently - is there something unique about Glanz Wax that allows it as a polymer sealant to bond to 1Z polishes containing carnauba and oils where other polymer selants would not be able to bond to the 1Z polishes?





Also, how finnicky is DG 105 in general about what it will bond to?



My only previous experience with 105 is over AIO or the DG PBA.



Is 105 as finnicky as KSG about what it will bond to?
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I have never used DG 105, so I can't comment about that.



Concerning 1Z Glanz Wax bonding to the 1Z polishes: in fact, it doesn't. The 1Z polishes are awesome, and the Glanz Wax is a fantastic sealant. The odd point is that as a product line, PP/MP and Glanz are a strange "combination".



Glanz Wax is a polymer-based sealant; it also has a strong chemical solvent in it, which disolves silicon and wax when applied to the paint -oddly enough, it removes all of the PP and MP fillers and wax, as well. Therefore, if you use Glanz, you are also removing whatever fillers and wax layer that the other 1Z products have already provided you with.



If you plan to follow the 1Z polishes with a sealant, all you need to do is wipe the paint down with 50% IPA before you apply a sealant. (If you were to use Glanz Wax, it's unnecessary).
 
Milestones said:
Anyone have experience with sealants bonding over 1Z polishes?
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I tried UPP (v2.0) over 1Z MP and it didn't bond well at all.



If the IPA (rubbing alcohol) wipedown reveals any residual marring I for one would probably regret having done it. By the time you get ready to apply your LSP do you *really* want to discover that you have to do more polishing? I'd just go with a wax over the 1Z (sorry, I'm a broken record on that huh? :o ).



percynjpn's explanation of how the GW can strip off the stuff that 1Z polishes leave behind is a big reason why I've never tried GW.



Doesn't the 1Z PP contain a polymer sealant for protection?
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Nah, natural and synthetic waxes (whatever "synthetic waxes" are ;) ), or at least that's what the guys at 1Z told me. And it's pretty short-lived protection too in my experience.
 
From my expierence with the 1Z polishes a few years back they have tons of oils/fillers in them. I dont know if they have changed the formulas since then.
 
Accumulator said:
I tried UPP (v2.0) over 1Z MP and it didn't bond well at all.



If the IPA (rubbing alcohol) wipedown reveals any residual marring I for one would probably regret having done it. By the time you get ready to apply your LSP do you *really* want to discover that you have to do more polishing? I'd just go with a wax over the 1Z (sorry, I'm a broken record on that huh? :o ).



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That's a fair comment, and I agree with the fact that following with a carnauba LSP is the easiest way to go.



However, 1ZPP is my go to product before carnaubas and sealants (with IPA wipe down)- UPP, Glanz and Zaino Z2 Pro in particular-, and with experience I haven't found the fillers to be a major barrier in judging the results of polishing (again due to experience).
 
Based on all the info. in this thread - I think I will go back to my original plan of 1Z PP topped with Collinite 845.



I'm just not willing to create the extra work for myself of an IPA wipedown when I can just put a durable carnauba topper like Collinite directly over the Einszett.



However, if I do decide to try 105 over the PP at some point, I will report back with the results.



Thanks for all the great input guys. It's been very helpful.
 
Milestones- If you get a chance, let us know how it turns out and what you think of the 1Z/Collinite combo.





percynjpn said:
.. 1ZPP is my go to product before carnaubas and sealants (with IPA wipe down)- UPP, Glanz and Zaino Z2 Pro in particular-, and with experience I haven't found the fillers to be a major barrier in judging the results of polishing (again due to experience).
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OK, I've never tried stripping the 1Z's waxes so I dunno if it'd reveal anything untoward or not; I suppose a lot would depend on the specific circumstances including the user's experience.



I use non-wax/filler polishes before sealants based on some unpleasant surprises with #80 and I probably shouldn't extrapolate too much from that to 1Z stuff :o Heh heh, far be it from me to dissuade anybody from trying 1Z polishes and I wouldn't want somebody to read this thread and pass on them..I've had to :nono people in the past when they said that 1Z does too much hiding and not enough correcting and I sure didn't intend to come across that way myself!
 
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