Does anyone here use just AIO?

L33 said:
I understand what AIO does.



With the sandpaper thing, are you saying using a true polish is a bad base for an LSP? That a sealant shouldn't bond to the surface?



Basically you proved my point, I don't want my LSP to "stick" to anything except the surface. Especially if it sticking to something that "doesn't last long".



What happens to the LSP when AIO fades?
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how is AIO going to "fade" when there is an lsp on it??? AIO will BY ITS LONESOME will not last long BUT topped with something, how is going to go before the topper goes?????? honestly, where is the logic in the AIO fading before the topper fades?



and the sandpaper was a remark because you were saying that AIO isn't a good thing to have so i was saying you should scuff your paint up if you want it to stick good. it was a sarcastic comment. and i have gone to a lsp plenty of times after polishing without using AIO BUT on my car i have started using AIO again and it leaves a noticebly better surface for an LSP. it looks better, feels better, and the lsp lasts long because the aio is a polymer sealent in itself and then when you to that, the durabilty has to increase. if you have two layers of SG on your car, do you think the first layer will "fade" first because you put it on before the second layer? OF COURSE NOT, the first layer will last much longer than the second because its BELOW the second layer.



Vernon



Vernon
 
Where did i ever say AIO isn't a good thing to have.

SG & AIO leave the same protection behind so they make sense.



But your logic still doesn't make any sense to me. So you are saying AIO will last forever as long as you keep applying a LSP over it? or does AIO have a life of its own? Makes no sense.
 
L33 said:
Where did i ever say AIO isn't a good thing to have.

SG & AIO leave the same protection behind so they make sense.



But your logic still doesn't make any sense to me. So you are saying AIO will last forever as long as you keep applying a LSP over it? or does AIO have a life of its own? Makes no sense.
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well man, you guys are right, i just read the bottle and sure enough, aio will last 6 months. AIO is a great lsp and doesn't need a topper. ok L33, the only further i am going to say is, go actually use AIO, try it out on multiple cars, DON"T just read the bottle and put it through some tests. every product EVENTUALLY will break down but think in common sense here. if AIO is topped, why would it fade before the lsp? why would the AIO get diminished before the SG would? i'm asking YOU, tell me why the AIO would go before the layer of SG that is on top of it? or the 16, or the p21s, or whatever you topped it with. tell me how that works.



Vernon
 
vdog0531 said:
every product EVENTUALLY will break down but think in common sense here. if AIO is topped, why would it fade before the lsp? why would the AIO get diminished before the SG would? i'm asking YOU, tell me why the AIO would go before the layer of SG that is on top of it? or the 16, or the p21s, or whatever you topped it with. tell me how that works.



Vernon
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you answered your own question.



AIO & SG are the leave the same arcylic protection, so they will bond together. How does a carnuba wax bond with a acrylic sealant.



AIO will dimish because it only lasts so long.



We'll agree to disagree.
 
L33 said:
you answered your own question.



AIO & SG are the leave the same arcylic protection, so they will bond together. How does a carnuba wax bond with a acrylic sealant.



AIO will dimish because it only lasts so long.



We'll agree to disagree.
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SG and AIO are not the same thing. if they were, then there wouldn't be different products. they DO NOT leave the same acrylic protection. i love autopia and unlike other car forums i am on, i really care about the knowledge that gets given out on this site. what i am trying to do is give my personal experience with the product and how it has lasted for me as well as share what i feel is common sense. we will certainly agree to disagree but i hope that you are contributing to this thread and to this forum in a positive way instead of just being stubborn. i am really trying to look at this convo as open minded as i can, and i really don't see how my experience or my sense are wrong. sorry that i can't agree with you but i want to give the best knowledge that i can. first hand knowledge and ideas, NOT bottle knowledge and words.



Vernon
 
Think about your logic for a second. AIO by itself doesn't last long at all, but if you put something on top it lasts forever. It doesn't make sense.



On the thread, you've been very flamish in all your posts and i've restrained from being so. I've been detailing for a long time and used a LOT of products including AIO & SG, I don't just read labels. Your say is not final word in my book, sorry about that. I don't appreciate the sarcasm, it seems to me you are the one contributing to this thread in a negative way.



If questioning something on this forum is wrong, than i'm guilty. In my book its the only way to get a true answer. Not "because thats what i say and thats it."
 
L33 said:
Think about your logic for a second. AIO by itself doesn't last long at all, but if you put something on top it lasts forever. It doesn't make sense.



On the thread, you've been very flamish in all your posts and i've restrained from being so. I've been detailing for a long time and used a LOT of products including AIO & SG, I don't just read labels. Your say is not final word in my book, sorry about that. I don't appreciate the sarcasm, it seems to me you are the one contributing to this thread in a negative way.



If questioning something on this forum is wrong, than i'm guilty. In my book its the only way to get a true answer. Not "because thats what i say and thats it."
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ok, lets try again, aio is a cleaner, i think we both agree to that. sg is mean to be a lsp. that shows they are meant to be different. they are different products but AIO is meant to be laid down first correct? aio's purpose is to clean the surface and prep it for lsp. do we both agree on that? since aio cleans the surface and elimates all the fillers or oxidation or whatever happens to be on the paint, why isn't it the perfect product before an lsp?
 
Not sure whether or not to wade into this one, but I didnt find very good longevity from AIO on its lonesome in Australia ( environmentally its pretty mild ) so I was pretty disappointed with the AIO ( less than 4 weeks ) on my gf's car - granted it doesnt get much love in the way of attention but still it was a let-down.



I do however use AIO exclusively as a base product for my LSP's ( particularly sealants ) when I am pushing for longevity and I havent been let down yet so take that for what its worth. I even find it looks great under Souveran/S100/#26, but doesnt significantly alter the longevity of these waxes in my experience.
 
I would polish the car to remove any defects then use AIO then I would add SRP & EGP. This will clean the paint to give it a good shine and your using Autoglym to provide the protection.



SRP will provide a reasonable level of protection but this is really the job of EGP.



You can then add a wax if you wish to
 
I've used AIO alone. Lasted a good 2 months on my mother's Camry, which included a trip to New Jersey and back. The car is kept outside 24/7 and rarely ever washed.
 
AIO looks very good by itself and as several others have said I had pretty good durability with AIO x2 (to ensure even coverage). At the 10 week mark when I removed it with SSR 2.5 & SSR 1 to go with AIO + Signature I still had outstanding beading.



My initial plan was to go with AIO + SG x2, but I got frustrated with SG and removed it with AIO. SG has since been relagated to my wheels.
 
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