Do you like the look of anything better than Carnauba?

Not all Carnauba paste waxes are the same.I know from personal experience that properly applied,High-end Carnauba paste waxes protect better than sealants.A product may be quite durable,but that does not mean to say that it offers great protection for the time that it appears to be on the surface.



How durable a product is, and how well it protects, are different things.
 
I very much perfer the looks of sealants over 'nubas. IMO, on a properly prepped surface the differences are small, but I really like the gloss factor. Thats why I am on the Zaino bandwagon!
 
Not to be smart or anything of that nature how do you know? Just curious..... With Respect ZOOM-ZOOM



Wise 85 said:
Not all Carnauba paste waxes are the same.I know from personal experience that properly applied,High-end Carnauba paste waxes protect better than sealants.A product may be quite durable,but that does not mean to say that it offers great protection for the time that it appears to be on the surface.



How durable a product is, and how well it protects, are different things.
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blackcaraddict said:
Nice only 1 or 2 Zaino comments. I can't stand that stuff its complete rubbish and leaves a plastic type look. There's nothing that replaces the look of a carnauba - #16, #26, Mother's - these will all give you a great look (as good as any) without having to waste your money on expensive sealants or other waxes.



Since we're all detailers, who really cares about longevity?
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I care very much that my clients cars are protected for as long as possible... I guess you don't?
 
I would argue with great confidence that a non-daily driver garage queen would get 6+ months or more durability and protection from nuba. Outside daily driver is another story
 
Carnaubas look great, in fact Black Magic won Consumers report for best wax- problem is carnaubas melt in the sun and trap dirt. If I lived in Wisconsin I'd use a carnauba year yound:bolt
 
This is a tricky question. I will have to be the odd man out in this thread, as I have found carnaubas to have very good durability in my lengthy usage of them, with and without garaging.



You will ultimately have to determine which media brings the optimal look that will best reach your appearance objective.



But to answer the question, IMO I have yet to see an alternative lsp format that has brought out the intensity of color, sharpness of reflection and the widest reflective and color ranges in a paint finish with the same magnitude of several very good pure carnauba waxes. That's my biased opinion based on my experience with a variety of pure carnauba, carnauba blended lsps and synthetic lsps with a variety of different finishes.



However, competing products react differently to other colors and finishes. You may find in your observation that a synthetic product may do more to reach your expectations than some other carnauba or even other synthetic products. You should try out a few good brands and see which one produces the result for you in person.
 
lbls1 said:
This is a tricky question. I will have to be the odd man out in this thread, as I have found carnaubas to have very good durability in my lengthy usage of them, with and without garaging.



You will ultimately have to determine which media brings the optimal look that will best reach your appearance objective.



But to answer the question, IMO I have yet to see an alternative lsp format that has brought out the intensity of color, sharpness of reflection and the widest reflective and color ranges in a paint finish with the same magnitude of several very good pure carnauba waxes. That's my biased opinion based on my experience with a variety of pure carnauba, carnauba blended lsps and synthetic lsps with a variety of different finishes.



However, competing products react differently to other colors and finishes. You may find in your observation that a synthetic product may do more to reach your expectations than some other carnauba or even other synthetic products. You should try out a few good brands and see which one produces the result for you in person.
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Care to eleaborate on what percentages of carnauba produce the best look, what polymers, additional waxes and oils are blended with carnauba and what impact that has on the final look? I'm of the opinion that the product with the most oils will always produce the best looking results. I think oils are the secret to a great looking finish more than carnauba is.
 
I always end up going back to carnaubas on my own black car and several of my customer's red and black cars. I normally use Clearkote's Carnauba Moose, Meguiars #16 and Pinnacle Souveran, with Paste Glaz for lighter colored cars. Carnauba Moose and #16 have pretty good durability too, typically 3-5 months depending on weather and how the vehicle is cared for.



Kind of hard to argue with this kind of depth (Pink Moose and CMW)...



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Guys, lets not get into a whizzin contest AGAIN.

Some of us like Polys a whole lot better, some of us hate Zaino, some of us prefer Nubas...So be it. Lets not turn a decent question into a wrestling match. My $.02

Heres a reminder of what were talking about.......

How many of you actually prefer another product over carnauba STRICTLY based on looks
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wannafbody said:
Care to eleaborate on what percentages of carnauba produce the best look, what polymers, additional waxes and oils are blended with carnauba and what impact that has on the final look? I'm of the opinion that the product with the most oils will always produce the best looking results. I think oils are the secret to a great looking finish more than carnauba is.
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I would; However it can be misleading to think that percentages of carnauba, by its consistency alone, automatically will produce an outstanding finish. The added oils with some waxes help promote gloss in the finish, but IMO by itself the added oils as a wax ingredient also doesn't single-handedly produce an optimal result. It is my opinion that the best use of a balanced combination of natural oil(s), the manufactured carnauba compound, and the chemical ingredients that emulsifies wax into a applicable compound, will make a product that produces an optimal result. I have seen several "pure wax" products that have produced surprisingly potent results that did not necessarily tout a high percentage of carnauba or an exotic mix of natural oils.



Now in going against the grain, it has been my experience that in my personal use, I've seen the products that have contained the higher percentage of a carnauba, as well as the addition of blended oils produce a deeper and more consistent finish; Observing the results by judging a wax vs. a wax or lsp without aiding either competitor with other lsps or additives. The original question of the thread, however, is comparing the look of a carnauba product vs. that of a synthetic. In that vein, I have a preference for the look of a carnauba, in which many of the pure carnauba waxes I've observed have produced a sharper and deeper reflective finish.
 
Carnauba for me. ALL THE WAY!



I seem to say it all the time, but RMG topped with Natty's Blue or CMW is REMARKABLE on my red Z. It isn't that way just to my eyes either. I get more compliments with 'nauba toppers than I do with anything else.
 
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