imported_edschwab1
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Scottwax said:
As much as I hate doing the roof of SUV's, I do the same as Scott.
Eric
Do you "cheat" when detailing the roof of SUVs?
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As much as I hate doing the roof of SUV's, I do the same as Scott.
Eric
imported_mirrorfinishman
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blkZ28Conv said:
blkZ28,
Thank you for taking the time to explain that 'everyone is not on the moral "high" ground'.
Very good observation.
imported_NHBFAN
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blkZ28Conv said:
blkZ28Conv,
I'm done trying to "justify" my question and defending myself from personal character attacks from mirrorfinishman. I believe anyone who followed this post knows my intent of the question.
In this community where most autopians enjoy constructively sharing knowledge, he gets his kicks out of harrassing people.
There's already been a move to ban him. Apparrently ... he's the one with the questionable character.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30737
imported_Intermezzo
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mirrorfinishman said:
Frank Canna, that sounds hillarious coming from you. (someone who is guilty of repeatedly breaking the rules of this forum)
Here's a tip....perhaps you ought to refrain from posting anymore messages on this thread because you're making a bigger fool of yourself with each one.
imported_memnuts
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NHBFAN, I know I should not react but I can not let anyone unjustly attack another member under fictious terms. It is just not right and not the norm of the Autopia forum I know.
imported_mirrorfinishman
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NHBFAN said:
NHBFAN,
It's not personal. It's strictly business. This is a public forum, not a private club. You asked a question and I answered it based on your original post and the first few replies. Don't like my answer, that's your problem.
'ORIGINAL POST'
NHBFAN: Do you "cheat" when detailing the roof of SUVs? This weekend I detailed a friend's late model white Ford Excursion. The paint was in good condition so I washed it and applied AIO followed by S100. He was very pleased with the results.
When it came to the mammoth roof I took a shortcut. I used Meg's #6 cleaner wax and got good results. A few factors led me to using this one step product on the roof. 1) time considerations 2) costs 3) lack of visabiltiy.
Do you professionals take shortcuts on SUV roofs?
It seems senseless to use your best "show car" products on a roof.
Old Post 12-30-2003 12:43 AM
'REPLIES'
1-Quickstrike: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If I pay for the ultimate package.. I want the whole thing!
Post 12-30-2003 12:58 AM
2-hondaguy2582: "All depends on what he paid for, and what you think it deserved. If you feel you cheated him, then you should do the right thing and redo the truck. Otherwise, you did what you thought was best. "
Post 12-30-2003 02:58 AM
3-Cujo31: I use an AIO on the tops ... sometimes put a sealant or other topper over it.
Post 12-30-2003 03:07 AM
4-Aurora40: I weener out on the roofs, but then no one is paying me and I hate SUV's. So if family members don't like it, they can find someone else who gives free details to shine their roof. I enjoy detailing cars, but SUV's are not enjoyable. They are just work. I usually just toss a coat of MPPP up there and don't bother with any claying/polishing/etc.
Post 12-30-2003 01:20 PM
5-hondaguy2582:i say, just do surface prep than put a sealant that lasts real long on top so they know you did a good job(even though you only did a one step poly sealant on top )
Post 12-30-2003 01:25 PM
6-mirrorfinishman: WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS CALLED FRAUD. You are telling us that you lied to the customer. Contrary to most of the other popular replies in this thread that agree with what you are doing, it's not a very professional way to operate a business.
If you were a true detailing professional you wouldn't have even had to ask the question in the first place. You would have already known the answer.
12-30-2003 01:56 PM
NozeBleedSpeed
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Frank, perhaps you should review the post again....
If you read the post again,he clearly stated that he detailed a friends Excursion.He never implied that the friend was in any way,a paying customer. He asked "Do you professionals take shortcuts on SUV roofs?". Both of these statements would indicate that he is not a pro and would like input from pros as to what they do when detailing the roofs of SUVs.
Your response was:
Not only did you overreact with undue passion by yelling(typing in all caps is generally accepted as yelling in any forum),but you accused him of out and out fraud. He never said that he lied to anyone. As he stated,the owner was simply a friend.
The way that I read his post, thats exactly why he was asking,
Frank,if you read this entire post again,you will see from the reaction of other posters,in this and other posts,that you have a way of inciting retaliation to your responses. Maybe you are simply misunderstood. It may not be the content of your message. Perhaps its your presentation. Rather than the rest of us turning the cat around, maybe you could just rub the cat the other direction.
Do 'you' as a professional detailer communicate well with the public?
NHBFAN said:
If you read the post again,he clearly stated that he detailed a friends Excursion.He never implied that the friend was in any way,a paying customer. He asked "Do you professionals take shortcuts on SUV roofs?". Both of these statements would indicate that he is not a pro and would like input from pros as to what they do when detailing the roofs of SUVs.
Your response was:
mirrorfinishman said:
Not only did you overreact with undue passion by yelling(typing in all caps is generally accepted as yelling in any forum),but you accused him of out and out fraud. He never said that he lied to anyone. As he stated,the owner was simply a friend.
The way that I read his post, thats exactly why he was asking,
It indicates that he is not a professional....thus,the reason that he asked the question to begin with.
Frank,if you read this entire post again,you will see from the reaction of other posters,in this and other posts,that you have a way of inciting retaliation to your responses. Maybe you are simply misunderstood. It may not be the content of your message. Perhaps its your presentation. Rather than the rest of us turning the cat around, maybe you could just rub the cat the other direction.
Do 'you' as a professional detailer communicate well with the public?
imported_mirrorfinishman
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NHBFAN said:
NHBFAN,
It's always better to tell the whole truth. Here's the part you left out;
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30823&highlight=canna
imported_NHBFAN
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NozeBleedSpeed, good luck explaining anything to mirrorfinishman.
He can't grasp the concept of "freebie" or the fact that there was no deceit to my friend as I disclosed each procedure to him. He also doesn't understand that I was just inquiring to see if professionals used alternative methods when tackling SUV roofs.
His unpopularity on this forum is only rivaled by the severity of his apparent learning disability
He can't grasp the concept of "freebie" or the fact that there was no deceit to my friend as I disclosed each procedure to him. He also doesn't understand that I was just inquiring to see if professionals used alternative methods when tackling SUV roofs.
His unpopularity on this forum is only rivaled by the severity of his apparent learning disability
imported_ajbarnes
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NHBFAN,
Don't even sweat it dude. I and a few others' here understand your question and some have anwsered accordingly. Then there are some or ONE who blew this way out of proportion. I think my signature signifies this thread!
Let's just calm down and talk about the love of auto care and enjoy the new year!:xyxthumbs
Don't even sweat it dude. I and a few others' here understand your question and some have anwsered accordingly. Then there are some or ONE who blew this way out of proportion. I think my signature signifies this thread!
Let's just calm down and talk about the love of auto care and enjoy the new year!:xyxthumbs
imported_mirrorfinishman
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ajbarnes said:
That's very good advice.
It's clear that we all view this subject from a slightly different vantage point.
Maybe I did mis-understand the original intent. And maybe I did over-react. Most likely, that's because of my background and experience of being in my own detailing business.
Hey, it's really not a matter of who is right and who is wrong. After all, we are all simply expressing our own point of view. Sometimes we agree and sometimes we don't. It's okay.
And who knows, we might even learn something while were at it.
imported_memnuts
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I irony of this whole tangent on NHBFAN's post is that your statement about "fraud" is correct if taken in the right context.
Frank, If you had only stated that if you, as a professional, did less than what you had promised to a customer, that it would be fraud. In other words, in the 1st person.
I believe NHBFAN and all others here would have stored that good advice away and tried to avoid such a type of business practice.
It is all in how you phrase something. I am willing to wipe the slate clean but please read and comprehend what Bret stated in your referred post.
We are somewhat of a family and we do disagree about many things and have had and will continue to have civil heated discussions. But like in real families, I can diss my brother or sister but NOOOO one outside the family better without justification.
It is a New Year, lets make it a happy and learning one from all levels and angles of the detailing arena. :wavey
Frank, If you had only stated that if you, as a professional, did less than what you had promised to a customer, that it would be fraud. In other words, in the 1st person.
I believe NHBFAN and all others here would have stored that good advice away and tried to avoid such a type of business practice.
It is all in how you phrase something. I am willing to wipe the slate clean but please read and comprehend what Bret stated in your referred post.
We are somewhat of a family and we do disagree about many things and have had and will continue to have civil heated discussions. But like in real families, I can diss my brother or sister but NOOOO one outside the family better without justification.
It is a New Year, lets make it a happy and learning one from all levels and angles of the detailing arena. :wavey
imported_mirrorfinishman
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blkZ28Conv said:
blkZ28,
Sometimes it's not easy to understand something until someone explains it the way you just did.
Thanks for taking the time to offer that good advice! In the future, I'll try to do better.
jcdouglass
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I did a dacota dodge truck one evening, it took 9 hrs. I got a hundred bucks. 3 hrs in cab , 3 in engine room, 3 on outside.
I was tired. But I was proud of that great looking truck! I was also real glad to get the money and the thank you.
I was tired. But I was proud of that great looking truck! I was also real glad to get the money and the thank you.
imported_memnuts
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mirrorfinishman said:
No problem Frank.
It is obviuos you have a wealth of dealing knowledge. So do many members of this community. It would a detriment to both parties if an exchange of detailing ideas did not florish and grow. :xyxthumbs
jerry@robs
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phew... finally hehe... so going back to suv roofs... dont you just hate the ones from the older expedition where there's a rubber strip in between every third ridge? It doesn't allow our buffers to run flat on the surface... hate it so much... one time, we did an expedition that had really hard water stains, but the owner only gave us 4 hrs to work on it and we did the roof last and wasnt able to finish it.
We informed the driver (chauffer) that we haven't finished the roof but the rest of the car have been compounded, polished and sealed and that they can come back anytime for the roof job and a free additional coating of sealant.
The driver and owner saw the roof and said "dont worry about it, we never wash this car anyway, let alone the roof"... They just wanted the body neat and shiny... So basically we got off easy with that particular car... Not that we won't finish the job, but the owner didn't want us to hehe.
We informed the driver (chauffer) that we haven't finished the roof but the rest of the car have been compounded, polished and sealed and that they can come back anytime for the roof job and a free additional coating of sealant.
The driver and owner saw the roof and said "dont worry about it, we never wash this car anyway, let alone the roof"... They just wanted the body neat and shiny... So basically we got off easy with that particular car... Not that we won't finish the job, but the owner didn't want us to hehe.
I've been watching this thread for several days, and I really don't understand what all the flak is about.
Like NHBFAN, I sometimes detail friends' cars as a favor. When they have a big-ol/ SUV with a neglected roof, sometimes I'll chat with them and not clay/polish the roof. There's no fraud in that. It lets me maximize the time I can spend on the parts of their SUV that are visible. No fraud, no cheating, just the real-world of detailing. And, as he said, this is not work being done for $$.
Like NHBFAN, I sometimes detail friends' cars as a favor. When they have a big-ol/ SUV with a neglected roof, sometimes I'll chat with them and not clay/polish the roof. There's no fraud in that. It lets me maximize the time I can spend on the parts of their SUV that are visible. No fraud, no cheating, just the real-world of detailing. And, as he said, this is not work being done for $$.