Did I make these swirl marks? (Pic Inside)

SuperBee364 said:
Yup, that's for sure. There's been a few cars I've done where even a clean Eurow MF (the softest MF I've seen) would mar the clear. You know you're in for a long day when that happens.
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So why would they actually do that? Curious.
 
theaznboywunder said:
I tried my applicator pad on a new CD-R. No scratches no matter how much pressure was applied. Same went for the Costco MF. I used brand new MF towels yesterday to buff out the GEPC and wax. I took a brand new one out today and tried it on the CD, no scratches.



I inspected the clay and there was nothing stuck to it. No visible grit was removed by the clay, mostly just some thin tar-like spots and what looked like rust dots from leaves.



Do the swirls look like they are from drying with towels of some sort? The previous owner of this car was an 86 year old elderly woman. I could visualize her taking it to the car wash and can picture the guys drying her car with those yucky rags they use.



Perhaps these towels made the marks? Then they were filled in by some filling compound? Then the filler was removed when I used the GEPC?



That's my guess. Because after looking at the car at so many angles throughout cleaning the car, I didn't see those bad swirls. It was only till I was done waxing that I saw them.
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You just answered your own question. They don't take care of their cars. They let someone else. And that someone else is the culprit.
 
Well it seems like you ruled out your supplies. While the CD test is a good one I still think actually trying the products at a 90* angle on YOUR paint system is the best test. However, assuming it is not your supplies then they where probably there already and just filled to an extent. Now you need to decide if you want to remove them or fill them or live with them.



I assume you are working by hand. If so, run down to Wal-Mart and get some Ultimate Compound and get ready to sweat it out. Maybe put on a head band and crank some 80's music to get in the mood. Then use a foam applicator pad and try to tackle one or two panels a day until you are happy. Then apply your wax of choice and revel in the shine.
 
Those are scratches, not swirls, and they were there already. You didn't get them polished out completely that's all. I recommend going back over the car with a rotary polisher and some Menzerna products.









John
 
JohnKleven said:
Those are scratches, not swirls, and they were there already. You didn't get them polished out completely that's all. I recommend going back over the car with a rotary polisher and some Menzerna products.



John
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That's a bold statement considering you have not seen the car either in person or before/after pics. I'm not disagreeing with you that they could have been there before. It's likely they where. But those straight line scratches came from something or someone rubbing the paint with something. It could have happened before he worked on the car or while he was working on the car.



And suggesting to someone who may have zero experience with a machine polisher of any sort to "get a rotary polisher and use Menzerna products" doesn't seem like very sound advice either. Learning to use a rotary is much easier once you have actually held a fool proof machine like a PC in your hand and polished paint with it a few times. You may have forgotten, but it's an odd feeling the first time you take a machine to paint. I do some details with owners who want to learn to machine polish. I would never dream of starting them with a rotary when they have no idea of the process or how to use any machine on paint.
 
I think I will fill in the scratches. I was contemplating getting rid of them with compound, but I decided that using more abrasives on the paint isn't the best way to go.



Does anyone know what filler I should use? Perhaps Zaino Z5?



Thank you very much once again for your help Jason M!
 
Jason M said:
That's a bold statement considering you have not seen the car either in person or before/after pics. I'm not disagreeing with you that they could have been there before. It's likely they where. But those straight line scratches came from something or someone rubbing the paint with something. It could have happened before he worked on the car or while he was working on the car.



And suggesting to someone who may have zero experience with a machine polisher of any sort to "get a rotary polisher and use Menzerna products" doesn't seem like very sound advice either. Learning to use a rotary is much easier once you have actually held a fool proof machine like a PC in your hand and polished paint with it a few times. You may have forgotten, but it's an odd feeling the first time you take a machine to paint. I do some details with owners who want to learn to machine polish. I would never dream of starting them with a rotary when they have no idea of the process or how to use any machine on paint.
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Yes, this is true. To me, it looks like the paint has been polished, but not corrected. Around a door handle like this a PC is probably not going to cut it. It's very difficult to tell what kind of car he's working on, but that would give us a good indication of what will or will not work.





So, what kind of car are you working on?



John
 
theaznboywunder said:
I have a silver acura tsx.
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The paint on a silver Acura TSX is pretty hard. It takes quite a long time to get scratches like this out using a rotary and SIP. It will take a very long time to get them out with a PC. Good luck to you!





John
 
theaznboywunder said:
Heres a list of what I did/used:



Megs Gold Class two bucket with MF Mitt

Clay Magic Blue Bar with Clay Magic Lube/Megs UQD

Wash Again after clay

Air Dry with backpack blower

P21S GEPC with MF applicator/wipe down with Costco MF towel

P21S Concours-like carnuba wax with sponge applicator/wipe down with Costco MF towel.





btw, thank you for your response Jason M
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doesn't that 200 mph air kick up a dust storm and then landing grit on your paint?



and then when you waxed, it was grinding it into your finish causing the swirls?
 
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