Did I just F-up? First Use of PC and Wolfgang

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mcmmotorsports

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Got my PC and the Wolfgang Swirl Remover kit. Using the orange pad on a speed of "6" (which I think is my mistake) I got so-so results. I did the whole car with the swirl remover and stopped halfway with the finishing glaze till I get a reply. Also, the orange pad is starting to tear around where the velcro bonds with the pad. Too much pressure? Finally, do I need to wash the pad out mid through? It seems to be saturated and now wants to glob up. This stuff I think will work great once I learn how to use it correctly.
 
Leave the speed on 6 - no problems here. And it sounds like the pad is defective (poor adhesive) which obviously isn't your fault.



Unless your applying over 50 pounds of pressure, you aren't applying too much. The PC needs pressure to work effectively. Unless you see something you don't like...continue.



Regarding the pad caking - if you only have one pad, you can wash it out and continue. You can dry it several ways, of of which is by turning you PC on with the wet pad and letting it splatter everywhere. Otherwise you can sandwich it between a couple towels.
 
mcmmotorsports said:
Wow, I thought the speed was my problem. Maybe a more aggressive pad is needed?
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How fast are you moving the PC? Any more than an inch per second while doing swirl removal for at least 2-3 overlapping passes and you won't get the results you want.
 
Aloha,



IMHO and recommendation to our customers I do not recommend using a PC at speed 6 with any foam pad that has a hook and loop set up.



I have witness and heard many problems using a PC at speed 6 with any foam pad. I personally suggest if you are using the PC at speed 6 then you are really using the wrong tool for the job. The PC is just that a random orbital polisher which works great at removing light swirls and polishing.



However, you need to get a high speed circular polisher like the Makita, Dewalt, or Hitachi rotary. Yes, there is a slight learning curve but you will appreciate the great results you can make in a short time. The key is to keep the pad on rotary flat on the finish, and keep it moving. Tape edges and trim. After mastering the PC, you will in no time appreciate the differences between the PC and rotary. And you will be able to use the proper equipment for the right job.



I personally use both my PC 7336 and Makita 9227 for most detailing work I do. Again, it all depends on what you are trying to achieve. And at the same time, you can save your arm and control the shakes. :D



With Aloha,

Ranney :)
 
PakShak said:
Aloha,



IMHO and recommendation to our customers I do not recommend using a PC at speed 6 with any foam pad that has a hook and loop set up.



I have witness and heard many problems using a PC at speed 6 with any foam pad. I personally suggest if you are using the PC at speed 6 then you are really using the wrong tool for the job. The PC is just that a random orbital polisher which works great at removing light swirls and polishing.



However, you need to get a high speed circular polisher like the Makita, Dewalt, or Hitachi rotary. Yes, there is a slight learning curve but you will appreciate the great results you can make in a short time. The key is to keep the pad on rotary flat on the finish, and keep it moving. Tape edges and trim. After mastering the PC, you will in no time appreciate the differences between the PC and rotary. And you will be able to use the proper equipment for the right job.



I personally use both my PC 7336 and Makita 9227 for most detailing work I do. Again, it all depends on what you are trying to achieve. And at the same time, you can save your arm and control the shakes. :D



With Aloha,

Ranney :)
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I agree with almost everything you say. The PC can take out more than LIGHT swirls.
 
Scottwax said:
How fast are you moving the PC? Any more than an inch per second while doing swirl removal for at least 2-3 overlapping passes and you won't get the results you want.
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I was definately moving it faster than that. :o :(
 
One more question, can I go over the spots that I have already applied the Finishing Glaze to?

I haven't put any sealant up there yet, but thought the Glaze would help the swirls (which it didn't) and thats when I posted here.



BTW, here is what I was talking about with the separation of the pad and velcro.
 

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Sorry for the conflicting advice you have been receiving.



I have the white Wolfgang pads in the style you have and have not had that problem.



Regarding the PC setting, the faster the speed, the faster results you are going to achieve. If the pad isn't holding up, I have plenty of hook and loop (velcro style) pads I can recommend that will. I once had a batch of Lake Country pads that were starting to separate, so I sent them back and got free replacements.



If you are not getting the results you need, then possibly you need a stronger polish (I'm not fimiliar with that Wolfgang "kit.") If the swirls are pretty heavy, you probably want to go first with Meguiars #83, Menzerna IP, or Sonus SFX-1 (these are strong polishes that break down properly with a PC).



Don't worry about going over the glaze if you need to remove more defects...of course you will have to reapply the glaze however.



And Neothin has a good point - too much product and the pad simply skates across the surface. Just think "less rather than more" and you should be okay.
 
One more thing - that orange foam has a tendancy to cake up more than any other foam I have used. It is because it is dense and does not breath. But I kind of like the orange foam (other companies use the same exact foam) as it is firm and allows you to apply pressure when you need to remove defects. Just so you know...
 
Scottwax said:
Any more than an inch per second while doing swirl removal for at least 2-3 overlapping passes and you won't get the results you want.
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Slow steady overlapping passes are the key to defect removal with a PC.
 
Well, I washed out the orange pad, went back out and tried some SLOW, OVERLAPPING passes. Got better results on the swirls, but still have a few MINOR scratches that didn't come out. Is it safe to say that the Wolfgang Swirl Remover is doing its job removing the swirls and not the tiny scratches? Do I need a more aggressive product like Meg #83? Or just more experience with the PC and the Wolfgang?

BTW, this is a 2004 Mustang GT in Sonic Blue. Here is a pic taken last fall.



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I have not used the Wolgang swirls remover before, but my understanding that it is a very mild, light swirl remover. Since you have already made a once-over with this products, maybe all that is needed is one more time (you'll have to test a panel to see). But if many swirls and light scratches remain, you will need to got with a stronger polish (#83 or Menzerna IP) and then finish again with our Wolfgang swirl remover. Or maybe you simply need to perform this process on a few pesky spots/scratches (in which case the 4" pads are great). Hard to say from here.



Also, learn to live with a few reminants of scratches, otherwise, you will remove to much paint if every time you polish your car you make sure you remove 100% of the scratches.
 
RAG said:
Also, learn to live with a few reminants of scratches, otherwise, you will remove to much paint if every time you polish your car you make sure you remove 100% of the scratches.
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Funny you say that. A friend of mine was telling me that a few months ago when I asked for his advise on detailing. He has a Black '32 Chevy Coupe that is just flawless and told me to learn to live with SOME defects.
 
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