Did anyone get to try the Rupes Big Foot at SEMA

I know DJ will get a unit to try. I tried it at SEMA, and found it to be very smooth, but I think I prefer the flex 3401 - feels way more potent.



Also, you suppose to use their pads with their polishes. It was a mess with HD UNO and their pads. He took a bottle of UNO to play around with but he never returned.



What I really like is the Festool DA.
 
Mr. Dekany:

I got to use Barry's Festool Shinex Rap-150 back in July. What a super nice rotary. I was going to get one until he talked me into getting a FLEX PE14-2. You have any info on the Festool da that you happen to mention. Thank you.
 
Tried it, loved it, will be selling them when they come to the U.S. Several Autopians tried it... even Tunch tried it out! Not sure how they all felt about it (Barry Theal, Thomas just told you, Tunch, DJMayo, Cooperider, Jason Rose, Greg Nichols, etc...)



As taken from another forum:



Kevin Brown said:
The Rupes LHR 21E (likely over $500.00 retail) is the next big thing. A dozen or more of us visited the booth at SEMA, and this machine is an engineering marvel that seems to have a promising future.





It features the largest stroke of any random orbital available today, is balanced beyond anything in the category (accurate balancing it is a requirement considering the 21mm, or roughly 13/16" stroke), and took over two years to develop.



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Another super tool offered by Rupes is the air-powered LHR-75 BIGFOOT Mini Random Orbital Polisher ($397.00 retail).

It features a 15mm diameter orbit!!!! :buffing:



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Even their traditional-design Skorpio palm sanders are available in a wide array of strokes ($354.00 retail for the 12mm non-vacuum model).



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BigAl3 said:
kevin.. when you have more time to play with one, please share your thoughts on it. i'm curious how different it will be compared to the flex 3401...



p.s. thanks for your contributions to the all the forums, it's greatly appreciated...



Kevin Brown said:
You are most welcome!



Well,I only had limited time with it at SEMA, but I can assure you that it is nothing like the Flex XC 3401VRG.



First off, the Rupes stroke diameter is massive, (8mm for the Flex, 21mm for the Rupes). The Rupes doesn't steer the pad when it encounters curves or machine tilt, since it is random orbit (nothing really new there).



RPM/OPM ratings are nearly the same (4,800 actual for the Flex, although Flex rates it at 9,600, whereas the Rupes lists 4,200 RPM.



It's easier to compare the Rupes to another random orbital.



The engineer spent a lot of time balancing the machine. It is sensitive, so much so that a difference of 5 grams (.18 ounce) is noticeable! Whether or not this is a good thing... we shall see. The thing is, even with a heavier pad (we compared two identical pads, except one had been used awhile, so it had some buffing liquid absorption into the pad), the machine is smooth, and we were using it at 4,200 RPM.



I'm looking forward to trying the machine out with the DA Microfiber Discs and Surbuf pads. Rupes does make their own specialized backing plates, so perhaps I can find one that'll allow me to exchange the current one for one that will account for the lighter DA Microfiber Discs (at least I am guessing they are lighter). Even if they don't make one, I can drill some holes into the supplied plate to either lighten or add weight to it (via buttonhead countersunk bolts, and washers if needed).



The Rupes guys have put a lot of effort into slowing random rotation down, in hopes of avoiding too much rotation. Their philosophy is that if the backing rotates too quickly, the chance that edge digging of the disc or pad could occur, leaving a less than perfect finish.



While I have been a big fan of the most rotation possible, I can see their point. Still, I'd much rather deal with too much rotation as opposed to not enough. To slow rotation, one seemingly simple way they've done this is to allow a rubber shroud to rub against the backside of the backing plate (the Skorpio Palm Sander also is built this way). The friction helps slow the rotation. I'll have to get a couple extra shrouds, so I can cut one to allow for no rubbing! The design also maximizes vacuum capability on machines designed for dust collection. That being said, I prefer very little rotation for slow speed final polishing, and have been known to drag my finger against the pad or plate to control rotation.



The benefits of a large orbit are numerous. For one thing, more centripetal force is created as the backing plate orbits, so the backing plate will rotate more than a similar machine featuring a smaller stroke diameter.



Next, for every rotation of the driveshaft (or every RPM/OPM), the entire pad and backing plate travels at a higher rate of speed since it is traveling more distance than a machine featuring a smaller stroke.



I could go on and on about machine stroke... OH WAIT!



I already have!: Machine Stroke - How It Affects Sanding and Polishing Performance
 
Mr.Brown:

You have any time frame as to when it will be available for here. Will regualar foam or wool pads fit the Rupes LHR 21E unit. Will have to buy the foam pads that Rupes makes.
 
cjbigcog said:
Anyone explain what "Denibbing" is?





nib |nib|

noun

1 the pointed end part of a pen, which distributes the ink on the writing surface.

• a pointed or projecting part of an object.

2 ( nibs) shelled and crushed coffee or cocoa beans.

• small pieces of caramel, licorice, or other sweets.

ORIGIN late 16th cent. (in the sense [beak, nose] ): probably from Middle Dutch nib or Middle Low German nibbe, variant of nebbe ‘beak’ (see neb ).




De-nibbing tools are those that are designed to remove dirt particles sitting upon the paint surface (or partly below it). This includes sanding blocks, denibbing files, and machines featuring 1/2" to 1-1/4" backing plates which hold "roses" or "rosettes" aka very small round or starburst-shaped sanding discs. Click the links to view.





ww2717 said:
Mr.Brown:

You have any time frame as to when it will be available for here.

Will regualar foam or wool pads fit the Rupes LHR 21E unit. Will have to buy the foam pads that Rupes makes.



No definite date, but I know they are pushing to get the 110 volt version completed ASAP.

Rupes strongly recommends their pads and liquids... which do seem to work very well (as viewed briefly at SEMA in their booth).

I will of course be trying the machine out using all sorts of pads and liquids.
 
I also used the machine and found it a very smooth running machine I also the a Flex 3401 and found this machine had no lack of power didn't bog at all . I used the polishes they had at the display but to be honest they sure looked and felt like Menzerna products even the bottle they were in was the same as Menzerna SIP . I question the rep and he it wasn't Menz but then again of coarse he will . I also told the machine should be closer to $400.00 I guess time will tell .
 
Kevin Brown said:


nib |nib|

noun

1 the pointed end part of a pen, which distributes the ink on the writing surface.

• a pointed or projecting part of an object.

2 ( nibs) shelled and crushed coffee or cocoa beans.

• small pieces of caramel, licorice, or other sweets.

ORIGIN late 16th cent. (in the sense [beak, nose] ): probably from Middle Dutch nib or Middle Low German nibbe, variant of nebbe ‘beak’ (see neb ).




De-nibbing tools are those that are designed to remove dirt particles sitting upon the paint surface (or partly below it). This includes sanding blocks, denibbing files, and machines featuring 1/2" to 1-1/4" backing plates which hold "roses" or "rosettes" aka very small round or starburst-shaped sanding discs. Click the links to view.









No definite date, but I know they are pushing to get the 110 volt version completed ASAP.

Rupes strongly recommends their pads and liquids... which do seem to work very well (as viewed briefly at SEMA in their booth).

I will of course be trying the machine out using all sorts of pads and liquids.



Hi Kevin, would you have any idea where to get M8 backing plates? I don't mind a 220 volt machine, seeing I'm in a country with 220 volt mains :wink1:
 
You can use your own pads and polishes.



ww2717 said:
Mr.Brown:

You have any time frame as to when it will be available for here. Will regualar foam or wool pads fit the Rupes LHR 21E unit. Will have to buy the foam pads that Rupes makes.
 
Yes. There are 3 machines - 3", 5'" and 6'5"



I'd like to have the 3 and 5" ones.



ww2717 said:
That sander doesn't look like it takes regualar 5/16" threaded backing plates. Would regular wool or foam pads work on it?
 
My thoughts on the Rupes????



Just like any other machine its another weapon at our disposal for paint defects. It has a 21 mm throw which is insanely nice. Its the size of most rotory's but extreamly light. Its very comfortable with hardly any vibration at all. I love that it spins clockwise, instead of counter clockwise like the Flex orbital. I could never get used to that at all. Its varible speed is solid. This machine will become a very popular quickly, if people will pony up the bread for it. I will have one for sure as soon as it is availible for retail. One of the things that I didn't like is the fact that you can't swap out backing plates. Its just like the Flex before they made a smaller backing plate in that aspect. With this much throw, you wouldn't want smaller pads anyways. Overall its a well built machine. I didn't play with as much as I would have liked to, but Thomas mentions that it didn't like Uno??? I never heard of a machine not like liking a liquid. lol Sorry Thomas that just don't make sense to me. I think the real factor of this machine is for many of us to release its full potential. This is what I'm curious about. In one of there videos its show these guys removing sand marks from half a hood in under 3 minutes with a random orbital. This I would love to see in person I'm a little doubtfull there, but you never know these days. Overall I think this machine will rock the boat of many detailers world wide. Here is a video of it. The one machine I want is that 3 inch sander, man that was really nice. I would love to try the palm sander as well. Looks like I got more toys to buy.



 
It certainly looks like a great machine. GNG sales have the LHR21E available in Australia for $725 and I am looking into it

I'm not a polishing machine expert but from researching and reading other peoples threads, posts that the power, torque, orbit throw and OPM speed are all factors that make or break RO and DA machines

If it has the power and torque plus a high enough OPM speed then it sounds like a winner

specs listed above for the LHR was in RPM not OPM



Am undecided on which machine to buy - the flex 3401 which is well known and proven but the anti clockwise rotation doesnt seem right to me, everything else is clockwise. does anti clockwise give more cut. Or the Rupes which is still unproven and alot of dough to fork out for a machine that may or may not work to my liking

have to use what pads I want, microfibre etc and my prefered single polish system
 
UPDATE - rang GNG sales and they said we need to use rupes foams. no point to me buying a machine for $700 bucks that I cant put microfibre, velvet, denim and other types of pad materials on it including foam pads that I prefer like buff and shine hex logic



So the flex is what I'll go with next, then the buff pro
 
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