Detailing Websites and Their Iconic Waxes

akimel

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I regularly visit five detailing sites: Meguiars Online, AutoGeek, Autopia, Detailing World, and Detailing Bliss. At each, one or two Last Step Products seem to predominate wax/sealant discussions and detailing presentations. In a way, these LSPs have come to iconically represent these forums. This is partially accounted for by the fact that the sponsors of the forums have commercial interests in promoting specific products--but only partially. So I thought I would ruminate a bit about my favorite five sites and their LSPs. Please feel free to correct or add to my reflections. This article is not intended to be controversial or critical, just whimsical banter which I hope will engender smiles and a few chuckles, good-hearted repartee, and perhaps even a little constructive dialogue. I hope you will not fail to see the many times when I have written with tongue humorously and firmly placed in cheek. This article is not to be taken seriously! No negative comments about anybody's products or any detailing website, please.



Meguiar's: NXT Generation Tech Wax



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No surprise here. Though some prefer M26 and believe it to be, for the money, one of the best carnauba-hybrid waxes on the market, MOL members overwhelmingly prefer NXT or its professional incarnation, M21. They adore its glossy look and ease of use and generally do not care that it may not be quite as durable as some other synthetic sealants. They are happy to re-apply it as often as necessary: they enjoy and love their NXT. Even if it could be scientifically demonstrated that a single coat of NXT will last half a year under normal conditions, they would still wax their cars once a month, every month, until Zaino hell freezes over.



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Some of the older Meguiarites, however, still hold a torch for the wax that was stolen from them--M16. They fondly remember the all-day Saturday sessions where they all so carefully, following instructions passed down from father-to-son over many generations, applied a very, very thin coat of #16 to their jalopies. And so they arrange to have #16 clandestinely smuggled into the States from that foreign land to the north. For this dangerous work they have enlisted a number of courageous Megs runners, who brave Mounties, customs agents, and wax security forces to accomplish their most worthy goal. But it must be stated clearly and unambiguously, NXT represents the bright future of Meguiars. There will be no return to the good ole days of hard paste waxes.



AutoGeek: Pinnacle Souveran



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AutoGeek simply is Souveran (inexplicably pronounced "SOV-er-an"). Many other LSPs are sold by AutoGeek, but few engage the passions as does the darling of Pinnacle. AG members love it for its wetness and depth, extol its easy WOWO application and removal, and believe it competes well against any of the elite waxes. And they especially love Souveran BOGO. No matter when announced, every Souveran BOGO is a new Christmas morning, generating giddiness, excitement, and elation. I suspect that AutoGeeks are hoarding hundreds of thousands of Souveran tubs, stacking them one on top of the other in their closets, in preparation for the coming economic collapse. AG members often top Souveran over a sealant of their choice. They may vigorously debate which sealant should serve as the foundation, but all agree--okay, perhaps not all but certainly most agree--that Souveran must be the topper.



Detailing World: DoDo Juice Supernatural and Collinite 876s



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British detailing upstart Dodo Juice is a sponsor of Detailing World, so perhaps it is not surprising that their Supernatural is the preferred choice of this largely British detailing community. Just as AutoGeek members believe that Souveran stands well against the more expensive elite waxes, so DW members believe that Supernatural truly is as good as, if not superior to, any comparable wax sold by Zymol or Swissvax or whoever--and at half ... or a quarter ... or tenth the price! All kinds of waxes and sealants are enthusiastically promoted on the forum by DW members, but Supernatural ... well, it's Supernatural.



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Detailing World, however, also loves the economical Yankee import, Collinite 476s. A goodly number of DW members believe that the differences between the waxes are so subtle as to be irrelevant; hence they also look for waxes that bead brilliantly--Worlders always carry their cameras with them, just in case it rains and they can catch the coveted beading on their bonnets--but, most importantly, they look for waxes and sealants that demonstrate durability and longevity. 476s embodies both characteristics in spades. It may on occasion be a difficult wax to work with, but that does not deter enthusiasm for 476s one whit.



Detailing Bliss: Zymol Vintage and Swissvax Mystery



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Detailing Bliss attracts a number of detailers who specialize in expensive cars, and they dress these cars in the two waxes that bespeak sumptuousness, style, and wealth: Vintage and Mystery. These two waxes may not be the most expensive waxes available within their respective lines--though they are certainly incredibly more expensive than anybody else's wax in the universe--but they belong to what must be classified as the elite tier of auto paint protectants. DB detailers, however, do not choose Vintage and Mystery simply for marketing and commercial reasons. They love them in an almost mystical and sensual way. They delight in applying them with their bare hands to their clients' Ferraris and Porsches and are utterly convinced that no other product can replicate the beauty that these waxes bestow. When speaking of Vintage and Mystery, speak in hushed tones.



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Prostrate and adore the holy carnauba ... long period of silence ... arise.





Autopia: P21S and Zaino



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This was a very difficult choice. As far as I can tell, no single wax or sealant predominates discussion at the Autopia site. Autopia members are eclectic and more concerned about the art of polishing than with any Last Step Product. After all, polishing contributes 95%, nay 98%, to the final appearance of a newly detailed car. Autopians love to try many different waxes and sealants, in an infinite variety of combinations. (And don't forget to use a 50/50 Isopropyl/water solution to remove all polishing oils before applying the LSP!!!) Each brand has its enthusiastic supporters and equally enthusiastic detractors. Layering contests abound, though it must be said that some of the more experienced detailers have begun to question whether anything more than seventeen coats really contributes to either appearance or durability. I have chosen P21S as a representative wax because it has been well reviewed on the Autopia site for the past couple of years. Autopians like the look it brings to a car and believe it is an excellent wax at a very reasonable price.



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I have also chosen Zaino as a representative LSP. Many Autopians demonstrate strong support for Zaino products, which might seem surprising, given that Autopia does not commercially support the Zaino line; but the performance of these products has won their respect and zeal. Whereas many enthusiasts like to use a synthetic sealant, topping it with a carnauba wax, lovers of Zaino typically prefer the shine provided by the Zaino system; and they rejoice in its proven durability. Yet even here, eclecticism wins out. Autopians will not be bound to the dictates of any system. What is important is not any specific product; what is important is the quest to create the perfect finish.



MOL, AutoGeek, DW, DB, Autopia--I love all of you guys. Keep up the good work!



Cheers,

Al
 
Scottwax said:
Interesting read, but Optimum, Clearkote, Collinite and FK are pretty popular here too.



"Interesting" wasn't quite the response I was shooting for. "Humorous," "jocose," "witty," "mildly amusing"--all would be better than "interesting." Sigh. I guess I won't give up my day job and become a writer. :)
 
Worlders always carry their cameras with them, just in case it rains and they can catch the coveted beading on their bonnets





Just in case it rains, it's always raining in England. Me, I am a Natties Blue fan and a member of Detailing World. I don't like sealants I prefer wax and can burnish and glaze a finish so any old wax will look as good as the ones for thousands of pounds. Prep is 98% LSP is 2% in my book.
 
David Fermani said:
Don't forget about these sites:



DetailersClub.com = Zaino

DetailCity.org ~=~ Poorboys

MobilWorks.com = ??

Detail City is still around? Wow, I thought that place was long dead.
 
I would add to Autogeek, Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant, seems to be the response to anyone in need of a sealant. P21S seems to have fallen off Autopia for some time, especially since the market has gotten watered down with more choices and $$$waxes$$$ the last 3 years. You hit the nail on the head on Detailing World..Good commentary
 
While reading the in-depth descriptions and logic concerning various sites, their fans and of course the wax or sealant mentioned I did have numerous smiles along with a couple of laughs that woke up the dog. Lizzie was checking her eyelids for holes at the time.



I have always enjoyed the telling of good tales thank you.



al
 
-Longhorn- said:
Detail City is still around? Wow, I thought that place was long dead.



Detail City is alive. I think it has the only real active chat room of any sites mentioned. Detail City is far more active than Detailer's Club.
 
Detailing Bliss attracts a number of detailers who specialize in expensive cars, and they dress these cars in the two waxes that bespeak sumptuousness, style, and wealth: Vintage and Mystery. These two waxes may not be the most expensive waxes available within their respective lines--though they are certainly incredibly more expensive than anybody else's wax in the universe--but they belong to what must be classified as the elite tier of auto paint protectants. DB detailers, however, do not choose Vintage and Mystery simply for marketing and commercial reasons. They love them in an almost mystical and sensual way. They delight in applying them with their bare hands to their clients' Ferraris and Porsches and are utterly convinced that no other product can replicate the beauty that these waxes bestow. When speaking of Vintage and Mystery, speak in hushed tones.



I would say that detailingbliss is hands down one of the worst forums out there for detailing. I don't see a lot of Ferraris being detailed there, it is more like rubbing over priced (1 dollar to make) wax on a Toyota Corrolla (that also cost a 1 dollar to make).





Seriously, I used to go to that forum and last. While most forums focus on detailing, detailingbliss is the only forum I know where people get props for spending WAY MORE for products...



"Look how much I spend on my detailing collection, 12k!!!" gets 94 responses...



"Indepth review of paint swelling when using xyz solvent based polishes" gets 1 response



IMO, the biggest joke of a forum and a wealth of fantasy and misinformation.
 
TH0001 said:
I would say that detailingbliss is hands down one of the worst forums out there for detailing. I don't see a lot of Ferraris being detailed there, it is more like rubbing over priced (1 dollar to make) wax on a Toyota Corrolla (that also cost a 1 dollar to make).





Seriously, I used to go to that forum and last. While most forums focus on detailing, detailingbliss is the only forum I know where people get props for spending WAY MORE for products...



"Look how much I spend on my detailing collection, 12k!!!" gets 94 responses...



"Indepth review of paint swelling when using xyz solvent based polishes" gets 1 response



IMO, the biggest joke of a forum and a wealth of fantasy and misinformation.



:laugh: :up



Great thread.



Not to hijack this thread but is P21S Concours still the holy grail of nuba's on Autopia? I would have thought that P21S 100% would have replaced it, no?
 
Now Todd, just because they are not detailing Ferrraris doesn't equate to a bad forum. You yourself have paid high dollar for waxes, you could argue you are being hypocritical with your statements . Also, someone could also argue that paying obscene amounts of money for a car detail is spending "WAY MORE" than necessary.
 
TH0001 said:
I would say that detailingbliss is hands down one of the worst forums out there for detailing. I don't see a lot of Ferraris being detailed there, it is more like rubbing over priced (1 dollar to make) wax on a Toyota Corrolla (that also cost a 1 dollar to make).





Seriously, I used to go to that forum and last. While most forums focus on detailing, detailingbliss is the only forum I know where people get props for spending WAY MORE for products...



"Look how much I spend on my detailing collection, 12k!!!" gets 94 responses...



"Indepth review of paint swelling when using xyz solvent based polishes" gets 1 response



IMO, the biggest joke of a forum and a wealth of fantasy and misinformation.





As much as I like and enjoy that forum, I do tend to agree with this statement (although I don't see how detailing expensive vehicles makes a forum "better").



The mentality "The more I spend on a product, the better results I will get" seems to run rampant there, which can be evidenced by the number of people who use products like SV Phnu (a tire dressing that costs $35 for 16oz. :scared:).



I really do like the forum, but the amount of money that people spend there on products is crazy, IMO.



To each their own, I guess.
 
Cleaning Fool said:
Now Todd, just because they are not detailing Ferrraris doesn't equate to a bad forum. You yourself have paid high dollar for waxes, you could argue you are being hypocritical with your statements . Also, someone could also argue that paying obscene amounts of money for a car detail is spending "WAY MORE" than necessary.



Let me state (because my sense of humor is not well recieved over the internet nor in person probably) that I found the OP humors and was only taking it a step further. While I was harsh (in a joking way) there is SOME truth to what I am saying.



I think Carlos runs a tight ship over there and is fair with everybody. Detailingbliss has its own style and there is NOTHING wrong with it.



Cleaning Fool, yes I have paid large amounts for wax and will do so in the future. It is a bussiness expensive for several of my clients who prefer those. In fact I have thought of opening a Zymol detail shop before, not because of the waxes involved, but because of the presumed prestige. Is there some level of hypocriscy there? Depends on how you look it at it I suppose. I never tell my clients that the wax is better, and often recommend something else first (depending on the needs of the client).



I do not dislike Zymol or other high ends, infact I think many of them preform well (though not 'better' then..). Vintage is a great looking wax, right up there with Natty's Blue, #26, P21s100%, SN, and many others ranging from 20-1000 dollars.
 
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