Detailing Speed?

I've been wondering lately about how long it actually takes to do a full detail on a car.



Speaking as the enthusiast detailer that I am, with no business time pressures to consider, I have sat back and considered the amount of work that goes into a full exterior only detail - from the washing and pre-polish preparing stages, the machine polishing stages, and the finishing stages. This kind of detail typically takes two of us, Bryan and myself, from about 9am to around 5pm to complete on a fairly standard car which on contemplation seems rather slow. But I simply cannot see how we can possibly go any faster...



The biggest chunk of time for us is the machine polishing stage, typically taking anywhere from 6 - 10 man hours to complete. And this is lazing around admiring the view, but making steady and continued progress. Sitting and looking at the times, I will work say in round number a 1' square section of car at a time (18" square generally, sections overlap so got for 1' square for round numbers). For standard defects, a single hit of say Menz Intensive Polish is required. This takes three to four minutes to work per section: or at least it does for me, as this is how I feel personally that I get the most out of the finish as far as clarity goes by fully working the polish right until the abrasives are very fine. So one set taking 4 minutes per square foot, and thats just a single set. Some marring requires double hits. Sometimes a finishing polish is used in addition. A bonnet can typically take anywhere between half an hour (small bonnet, one hit) and two hours (big bonnet, multiple hits) to complete!! Just one panel, just the machining. And I simply cannot see a way of making this process any faster while personally being able to maintain crystal sharp clarity in the finish.



With the huge amount of time spent machining, which at the end of the day is where all of the head turning results are going to come from (the wax just being the icing on the cake, and I like tasty icing!), I simply cannot see how a full correction detail could be carried out by myself alone in anything less than a day - exterior only. And thats trucking along. Ideally, to ensure everything is carried out to my satisfaction, working alone I would need a day and a half - thankfully I work with Bryan so between us, we can get an exterior complete in a day.



What makes me think though is that many people are quite genuinely surprised by the length of time taken to carry out a detail... Is it just me being particularly slow on the rotary (I'm a fussy sod, after all), or is this time scale normal for all detailers?? If not, where do you make up the time if you work faster??



Thoughts please, folks. :) How long do you take (generally speaking)??
 
i'd rather take it slow and do a good thorough job that i'm happy with, rather than rush and be dissappointed in the end...
 
BigAl3 said:
i'd rather take it slow and do a good thorough job that i'm happy with, rather than rush and be dissappointed in the end...



Naturally. I am the same as you - it takes as long as it takes me, and those who watch me detail there car will know I'm a real fuss pot when it comes to the finish - which they dont mind, as I always ensure time is not a factor in the details I do.



I am interested to know how long it takes folk to do a full on paint correction detail, generally speaking as there are a lot of factors at work?
 
I am curious to know how long it takes some of the pro's on here to detail a car. If they could only do one full detail a day (time wise), I don't see how they could make a living.
 
Dave, I've always wondered the same question and I always just assumed I was slow. I really don't know how some people can do interior and exterior in the amount of time they say. It's probably the biggest reason why I don't do it professionally because time is money and I don't feel that I'm skilled enough to work as quickly and still produce the same quality of work I want to achieve.
 
It takes me along time to finish a large vehicle. Ordinarilly if I am polishing an S.U.V. I request to have it overnight. The bulk of the roughly 14 hours spent is machine polishing. This is a good thread for a lot of reasons, I think a lot of people will spend x amount of time per panel determined by the steps, in which they will be able to say for instance,



There are 12 polishing sections which requires say a two step (five minutes per) so 2 hours should be spent polishing, whatever the results are they are, if they want to spend more they can.



I find moreoften than not I am spending just as much time polishing tight areas via pc or hand than the large flat panels. This can get very overwhelming and frustrating by yourself so you having a partner there for the duration is huge in the continued progress.



I think you can be very fast and efficient at the same time however.



Know your polishing sections immediately and have them mapped out in your head, I guess it helps if you run into the same make of car numerous times to be able to troubleshoot certain tough spot and dont stop till youre done.
 
Dave KG said:
.. it takes as long as it takes me, and those who watch me detail there car will know I'm a real fuss pot when it comes to the finish - which they dont mind, as I always ensure time is not a factor in the details I do.



I am interested to know how long it takes folk to do a full on paint correction detail, generally speaking as there are a lot of factors at work?



Same with me. I don't really keep track of how long details take me, but to do a full correction (rotary work included) usually takes me at least two-three afternoon's worth of work, though I did do my wife's A8 in one day the last time. I should note that a lot of that time is spent inspecting as it can take a long time to spot a flaw that will a) normally be invisible to anybody else, and b) only show up under certain lighting/inspection conditions.



As I've noted in some other threads, I somehow instilled some very light marring on the hood (bonnet ;) ) of the S8, so light it would take me several minutes just to find each flaw and if I looked away I'd have to start searching all over again. Correcting this (with the rotary for most of the work) took me a few hours.



No way could I do this professionally, simply no way. Though I do wonder if anybody else would notice if I did about 25% of my version of things...I sometimes wonder if I could do a job that would satisfy "normal" people in a tiny fraction of the time I usually spend :nixweiss The last time that I threw a quickie detail on a service loaner I thought it was a terrible job, but the owner of the business was so impressed that he sent me a hand-written letter of appreciation!
 
^^ The reason that detailing is most likely to remain forever a enthusiast hobby for me is the thought of loosing the time luxury is not a pleasent one - it takes as long as it takes, and I am really fussy as to what I will declare as "my work", and thankfully who I detail with is exactly the same so we work well together as an enthusiast team.



But how do folk who get the time pressures cope, as looking at machining I simply cannot see a way it can really be done much faster - polishes take a certain time to fully break down to get the crystal clarity in the finish, or at least that is what I find, and if the work time for the polish is reduced, the clarity of the finish is also reduced for me - this is why I spend so long machining, as I want to get the finish as close to crystal clear as I can.



The pros with time restraints really do have their work well and truly cut out - to deliver takes real skill.
 
It takes me a good 8-10 hours to fully correct a vehicle and apply the LSP, clean the windows and dress the tires, wells and exterior trim. The large majority of that time is spent with the machine and is sometimes a 3 stage buff and polish and sometimes a 2 stage buff and polish.



Washing and clay take me anywhere from 1 - 1.5 hours and LSP + dressing takes me maybe an hour.



I think the biggest difference in me and the pros is that the pros know very well what is the best polish/pad/speed combos for what they have in front of them. I still need to learn that aspect and find myself experimenting with a few different combos before I settle on what I think is best for this particular job. That, for me, may take a half an hour.



I also need to critically evaluate my steps and motion around a job. I know I can pick up some efficiencies by doing a videotaped "motion analysis" and see where I'm wasting time.



Good thread and thanks for the question.
 
There are a few obvious variables when it comes to determining how long it's going to take to machine polish any vehicle, ie size of vehicle, colour, hardness of paint, condition of paint. It's always going to take longer to buff out an SUV thats been through a bristle car wash a hundred times than it is to do a mini with a few swirl marks.

A couple weeks ago I had a customer who wanted his 1993 Jaguar buffed out, it took me a day and a half.

Tuesday next week I have a Ford Focus to buff. I saw the car at the beginning of the week and I think it will take me about 6 hours.

I've been detailing for 15 years and to be honest it takes as long as it takes.
 
It's all about quality for me - I can put out an excellent car that will knock the socks off non-autopians in 4 hours, but to be truly pleased with it myself, I'm looking at a minimum of 10 hours. It's those little tiny things (taking swirls off of rocker panels, hand polishing jambs, etc) that take forever. Also, I'm pretty rarely pleased by the results of any less than 3 polishing steps (cut, polish, burnish).
 
As Dave KG states, on an enthusiast level, taking your time is fine. I spent 10 hours+ on my father-in-law's 2-door Jeep and I didn't do heavy correction. I did spend a lot of time taking off all the adhesive residue from old advertising stickers on the doors and back window.



But if you're charging for the service and you're spending 14 hours, are you charging your client $300+ for the job. And if you charge by the hour, how do your clients react when you tell them that it took you longer than originally quoted, so it's going to be an extra $50-$60?
 
hooked said:
But if you're charging for the service and you're spending 14 hours..?





Guess it depends on the client. If I could find somebody local to do things to my satisfaction I'd pay what they ask.
 
It completely depends on what I'm working on, who I'm working for, and knowing just how clean they want it.. Anywhere from 4-6 hours for an exterior detail (wash/clay/1 step with something like 360/dress everything) and maybe a quick dash wipedown and a quick vac (nowhere near 'detail' status).. Now I just picked up another car for the wife to drive, and I'm about 20 hours in on it, and still not complete.. But thats a 3 stage with the rotary, full interior extraction & detail, & complete underhood to the best of my ability with the products I have.. Not getting in any hurry because time/money aren't a concern. I'm almost there on it. Basically just needs an LSP, and finish some HEAVY road paint & tar removal from the wheel wells & dress them and the engine . It was literally the worst I've ever seen when it comes to tar in the wells.



But so far what I've found works best for me... I basically shoot them a price after talking with them for what they say/I think they want.. If they cringe like its a little expensive, I basically ask how much they are willing to spend, and do the best I can for that amount.. Haven't had any complaints yet. Keeps us both happy. I think alot of people clump all 'detailers' into one category, and the other kind can do 'the works' for $100. I can't. When they see just how long it takes, and the results they get, they understand a whole lot better. I don't know how well that would work for somebody that has to do it for a living, but for me its worked great.
 
This exact topic is why I joined many online detailing forums.



I wanted to know if there was a time-saving process that would be to my benefit.

The main area of my concern was the increasing difficulty of removing paint defects and/or subsequent rotary polishing marks on newer finishes.



When I was a professional, operating a shop, we did a large volume of work. Some of it was high quality detail and some was just wholesale cleanup.



Volume helped keep the efficiency at peak. Usually, I had one part timer per shop who just did odd jobs like laundry, emptying trash, cleaning floor mats, and throwing in a hand when someone was facing a time deadline.



The maintenance washes and cleaning were fun and almost felt like break time compared to the hustling required on much of the rest of the work.



Some of the dealerships I took care of did like higher quality work and I was often torn by doing the job to the best that it could be vs. how much they would pay to have done. On those jobs, I had to budget time and effort spent to get the most done and give them curb appeal without working for below minimum wage.



The nice dealer work generally meant no more than 6 labor hours. Since our accounts were in three price structures, the dealerships allowed us some play with the bill.



i.e. They would send us a car that needed little more than a full prep wash, spot clean, one step wax, coating wheel wells, and dressing tires. Along with that car they'd send us a heavy smoker's vehicle with a light color leather. Each car was billed the same amount on their paperwork, but they knew we'd spend 2 hours on one and 7-8 on the other.



We did some "auction clean" cars that had a 30 min quick prep wash, including a fast blast through the engine compartment. Next, it was vacuum and pick up trash on the interior, clean the windows, dust as you finished, and get out. One-step cleaner wax on the outside with some tire dressing and it was usually done before the engine could finish cooling off. Again, these were sort of fun because whatever you did was just fine. These were great cars to practice on if you had time or a new product to test.



When the cars were to be done "right", it took as long as it took and there was an appropriate charge at the end of the day(s) spent to complete the job. The same went for retail customers who wanted the works. I have done many 4-5 hour interior jobs along with a 14-18 hour exterior. While taxing, the financial return is healthy and it makes me feel good that my skills are still up to par. I will still do these on occasion, partly for the pay, but more for the satisfaction of doing the job.



Overall, I have found few products that saved much time on any of the three major areas: Prep Wash, Interior Detail, and Exterior Detail. I still work on the premise that it will take as long as it takes to get things right when time and cost allow for this.



Should such time and financial benefit not fit the job at hand, it's back to wholesale mentality: address the major concerns and leave no glaring problems. Address the customer's desires and give them what they pay for.
 
To do what Dave mentions it takes me 2 full days by myself. Wash, inspect, pre-polish, polish, sealant or wax.



Polishing takes the most time due to the length of time it takes to fully break down the polish on each section. If the correction requires more than one pass then it really starts to add up, time wise.



Most of the time I'm pretty tired by the end of the polishing session and like to wait overnight and start waxing the following morning. My cars are garaged so that why the overnight wait. This also gives me time to re-inspect the job polishing and make any further corrections I may have missed the day before.



I like the two-day approach, it's nice to give yourself a break between the hard work of polishing and the reward of painstakingly adding your favorite wax or sealant. For me it makes it much more enjoyable.
 
Flish said:
Most of the time I'm pretty tired by the end of the polishing session and like to wait overnight and start waxing the following morning...This also gives me time to re-inspect the job polishing and make any further corrections I may have missed the day before..



Yeah, I'm a firm believer in the value of "fresh eyes" for the final inspection :xyxthumbs
 
This thread makes me feel better about how long it takes me. When I see Scottwax's work and that he fits in two or three SUVs in one day sometimes, it makes me feel pathetically slow.
 
From experience, I feel that it's pretty tedious to perform Autopian levels of quality in volume. It takes time! There's no way 1 person could do more than 1 full detail (Autopian level) in 1 day? Even if you did, you wouldn't physically be able to do it consistently. That's probably why Autopian levels of details are mostly done by enthusiasts, and not die hard pros that make a living doing it. If you want to detail long term and be the most profitable you can be, volume is the only way. Thus, meaning easing up on the perfectionist standards and giving acceptable (or greater) outcomes to your clients. How many pros do this work day in, day out for 25-30+ years? Not a lot.
 
Sherri Zann said:
This thread makes me feel better about how long it takes me. When I see Scottwax's work and that he fits in two or three SUVs in one day sometimes, it makes me feel pathetically slow.

I think scottwax should do a video of a full detail on a pretty bad car. He could change a dollar paypal for each person to watch him and make a ton of money and we'd learn how to go 50x faster than we usually do.





Me personally, I take forever to do a detail. If I am doing my car, I do it over like 4 or 5 days. I'll work for like 3-5 hours in the evening, taking breaks every 30 minutes or so. And yeah seems like you can spend a full hour just doing a single door, so I have no clue how scottwax does everything so fast.
 
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