Detailing products broken down (Third Party)

"but don't most polymers come from crude oil?"



I'm no expert at all myself, but I think some solvents come from crude, but other polymers can be created in the lab.
 
Thank You Wolfy for bringing this thread back on track, that is exactly what I was hoping for great link. I don't know why folks are bringing the poorboy/chemical guy thing into this thread, lets move on please that has nothing to do with it. All you have to do is look at different products, consistancy, smell, color, bases, very few things are totally similar. I was hoping other people would posts links like Red Wolf and lend their expertise w/o making this a specific product discussion.
 
DETAILKING said:
Are confusing terms here....



Private labeling vs toll processing....



Private labeling involves using someone elses recipe and resources to manufacture a product. Yes you can have input for tweaking color, fragrance, and other things, but the more you change from the "standard offering" the more money it will cost, especially if the quanitities are not large.



Toll Processing is when you have your own formulation but don't have the means to manufacture so another company does this for you. Brewery's are a prime example.....the large american brewerys actually brew a lot of the microbrews that you see out there, but these are unique recipe's for a particular brand. All the manufacturer is doing is making the product so the customers specifications. Oh and it is typical even for manufactuers to purchase ingredients from other companys or suppliers. Relating this to the detailing industry......come on now, no one makes their own polymers....they are purchased from Chemical companys and added to a formulation.....



Developing a new product from scratch takes a lot of time and money. The easy way out is to just private label and one can have a dozen products under there belt very quickly if they are new to the game. If you noticed there are a lot of new players in the game recently.





As for Zaino, it was first developed back in the 80's and the only offering was the sealant. Yrs after the other products were developed one by one and added to the offering. T he last few new products added (Z8, ZFX,etc) were yrs in the making and testing. Rumors were out on ZFX over 2-3 yrs ago when a small group of testers were working with Sal to perfect the product. What makes me think that Zaino is a unique product, is because I have not found anything else that works the same...have you?
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EXACTLY!! You hit the nail on the head on all points.
 
I'm assuming the polymers do the paint protection. so my feeling is that the polymers all come from the same source and are essentially the same(oil by products ). so the lifespan of the polymers in car wax must all be pretty similar unless one manufacturer has a technology to slow the rate of decay for their particular sealant. www.fk1usa.com has some sticky's about the lifespan of their particular products and also the temperature ranges for different types of car waxes.
 
Burlyq said:
It wasn't my intention to stir the pot, I just thought of this article as a general statement about detailing products. I didn't think anyone would translate this article into some of the recent arguments about companies and products. Not every one of my posts is about rebranding, and I didn't want to imply anything by posting that article. I didn't even read the article that closely, maybe I should have, it seams to imply something I didn't see.:shocked
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Great post ! It is good to open things up regularly. I am glad you found this article myself and shared it with us, on the web, there are a great many opinions. From my point of view, airing this is a service to all of us.:xyxthumbs
 
wannafbody said:
I'm assuming the polymers do the paint protection. so my feeling is that the polymers all come from the same source and are essentially the same(oil by products ). so the lifespan of the polymers in car wax must all be pretty similar unless one manufacturer has a technology to slow the rate of decay for their particular sealant. www.fk1usa.com has some sticky's about the lifespan of their particular products and also the temperature ranges for different types of car waxes.
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Are you saying there is a "flat" range of possible characteristics in sealants in particular, pre-defined by their origin?



From what I have read, neither waxes nor Polymer sealants Decay. They erode, de-bond, slough off, melt, or evaporate. IMHO, it matters not where the Polymers come from, nor what the original base consisted of. Chemically, anything can be transformed in it characteristics through processing. There are durable Polymers contained in vegetable matter, as I understand....



Just because some polymers might be synthesized (this does not mean all are) from a petroleum base does not mean that the petro-chemical "signature" is somehow embedded in the processed chemical. The processing imparts different properties to the end product. (if desired ) In the thousands of Polymers, thousands of differences exist, like durability, resistance to UV, reflectance, etc- The "lifespan" of a sealant or wax on paint has somewhat more to do with external conditions than with the product in itself. IMHO, you implied this yourself when you mentioned temperature ranges for different types of waxes.:xyxthumbs
 
good point-I was thinking about the lifespan of the polymers and not necessarily about the process (cationic bonding for instance) that "glues" the polymer to the paint. But if TW claims that their $5 F21 sealant lasts a full year(assuming its a scientific claim) I suspect that most of the sealants (not blended waxes) that autopians use are of equal durability. The specialty manufacturers have to have the same or better technology-correct?
 
That is hard to say. Some are more equal than others, obviously, or these discussions would be worthless.... IMHO, I believe it is all in the way properties are combined and exploited that makes the products different. As to technology issues, within the industry, I am certain there is proprietary knowledge of process, chemistry (formulation) within companies which is not generally published.
 
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