Detailed an Enzo

spg383 said:
Is that one Matt's?
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I was just looking at the pictures and I believe it is. (Notice the BMW 2002 in the garage) I saw this car over the weekend at the Keels and Wheels Concours and spoke with Matt about the car. If this is Matt's, this is the Eddie Griffen Enzo. Although, when I inspected the car at the show, I was not impressed as the paint was not in great shape as the after photos reflect. It had quite a few swirls on the car and it looks liked the exhaust and some other areas got skipped over. The whole hood and front end is clear bra'd which obviously nothing can be done about the finish under it, but the rear end and roof still had quite a few defects. Even though the car was not in perfect shape, it had a crowd of people around it the whole weekend taking many pictures and wanting to hear it run. (We were two cars behind it the whole weekend up on the hill with our Porsche 356SC)



Regards

Steven
 
I was just looking at the pictures and I believe it is. (Notice the BMW 2002 in the garage) I saw this car over the weekend at the Keels and Wheels Concours and spoke with Matt about the car. If this is Matt's, this is the Eddie Griffen Enzo. Although, when I inspected the car at the show, I was not impressed as the paint was not in great shape as the after photos reflect. It had quite a few swirls on the car and it looks liked the exhaust and some other areas got skipped over. The whole hood and front end is clear bra'd which obviously nothing can be done about the finish under it, but the rear end and roof still had quite a few defects. Even though the car was not in perfect shape, it had a crowd of people around it the whole weekend taking many pictures and wanting to hear it run. (We were two cars behind it the whole weekend up on the hill with our Porsche 356SC)
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After reading this post, I think a more constructive way of offering this type of criticism would have been through a PM. You may have much more experience with regards to paint correction and detailing in general than the detailer who posted these pics, and indeed noticed some things he may have overlooked.



I'm not saying you don't have the right to criticize someone work, I just feel that criticizing in private and offering some advise would have been better way to get your point across.



Just my two cents.



I have been detailing car professionally over 10 years, and to this day, I still on occasion miss something on a car that I discover on the final walk around.
 
Clean Dean said:
After reading this post, I think a more constructive way of offering this type of criticism would have been through a PM. You may have much more experience with regards to paint correction and detailing in general than the detailer who posted these pics, and indeed noticed some things he may have overlooked.



I'm not saying you don't have the right to criticize someone work, I just feel that criticizing in private and offering some advise would have been better way to get your point across.



Just my two cents.



I have been detailing car professionally over 10 years, and to this day, I still on occasion miss something on a car that I discover on the final walk around.
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+1 Well said.
 
Very nice..no...EXTREMELY nice job. ;) From your initial comments I gather that this was one of those "be careful what you wish for" detail jobs. You'd never turn down a Ferrari, but you definitely earn your money! Well done.
 
Shuskan3 said:
I was just looking at the pictures and I believe it is. (Notice the BMW 2002 in the garage) I saw this car over the weekend at the Keels and Wheels Concours and spoke with Matt about the car. If this is Matt's, this is the Eddie Griffen Enzo. Although, when I inspected the car at the show, I was not impressed as the paint was not in great shape as the after photos reflect. It had quite a few swirls on the car and it looks liked the exhaust and some other areas got skipped over. The whole hood and front end is clear bra'd which obviously nothing can be done about the finish under it, but the rear end and roof still had quite a few defects. Even though the car was not in perfect shape, it had a crowd of people around it the whole weekend taking many pictures and wanting to hear it run. (We were two cars behind it the whole weekend up on the hill with our Porsche 356SC)



Regards

Steven
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And, next, I bet you are going to tell us all about water conservation?? The Enzo looks great, nice job!!!!
 
Shuskan3 said:
I was just looking at the pictures and I believe it is. (Notice the BMW 2002 in the garage) I saw this car over the weekend at the Keels and Wheels Concours and spoke with Matt about the car. If this is Matt's, this is the Eddie Griffen Enzo. Although, when I inspected the car at the show, I was not impressed as the paint was not in great shape as the after photos reflect. It had quite a few swirls on the car and it looks liked the exhaust and some other areas got skipped over. The whole hood and front end is clear bra'd which obviously nothing can be done about the finish under it, but the rear end and roof still had quite a few defects. Even though the car was not in perfect shape, it had a crowd of people around it the whole weekend taking many pictures and wanting to hear it run. (We were two cars behind it the whole weekend up on the hill with our Porsche 356SC)



Regards

Steven
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Hi Steven,



Thanks for the criticisim, its always good and will push somebody to be better next time. This car is the car the Eddie Griffin wrecked yes. The car has been rebuilt and sections of the car have been repainted. Very hard to judge how far to take the correction when you don't have a paint meter gauge. There were a lot of areas where after 3-4 passes with a pfw and spinning at 1500 wasn't taking the imperfections out that I didn't want to burn the paint. Maybe that is my fault and a better experienced detailer would be able to tell with out a PMG how much further he could have went. When Matt and I talked he wasn't even putting the car in the show, it was only a week before when he decided because a friend told him to. Matt is more of a track kind of guy. He has tracked the car 3 or 4 times. He doesn't care about concours or any other show. When we talked he said he really didn't want a concours detail and just to make it look good. At the end he was very happy and I was ok with it. We weren't planning to take it there and win a blue ribbon. If you really inspected the paint as well as you say, you would have noticed the obvious paint drips at the bottom of the passenger door. There are imperfections in the paint that a buffer isn't going to get out. Being cautious I did not want to ruin a million dollar car and didn't push a few areas. I would rather have a happy client rather than burn the paint on that or any other car. The exhaust I didn't mess with, that was his doing because he said he would worry about the little nick nacks here and there. Like I said before I didn't take as many pictures as I could have, I have taken pictures before with other details even if I still had swirls and the paint didn't come out 100%. I wasn't trying to cover anything up by not taking pictures of those areas. Either the sun was not hitting the areas at the time or I over looked. I appologize but I was in a bit of a hurry on Thursday afternoon when all was finished because I was getting a vasectomy that afternoon. I had a few other things on my mind other than "did I get that picture". Once again I sincerly appologize and next time will better document my details. I don't know which 356 was yours but they were all beautiful cars. I hope you enjoyed the show as I did. Once again, thank you for the criticism and I appologize for not meeting your standards.

I DO NOT want this to become some B.S. high school girl ranting going back and forth. You have said your peace and I mine. Thank you

Jason



EDIT: the car in the garage was not a 2002 it was a 1600
 
Thank you to everyone else for the compliments, and yes Karburn, this was a be careful what you wish for type of thing. LOL
 
MobileJay said:
Hi Steven,



Thanks for the criticisim, its always good and will push somebody to be better next time. This car is the car the Eddie Griffin wrecked yes. The car has been rebuilt and sections of the car have been repainted. Very hard to judge how far to take the correction when you don't have a paint meter gauge. There were a lot of areas where after 3-4 passes with a pfw and spinning at 1500 wasn't taking the imperfections out that I didn't want to burn the paint. Maybe that is my fault and a better experienced detailer would be able to tell with out a PMG how much further he could have went. When Matt and I talked he wasn't even putting the car in the show, it was only a week before when he decided because a friend told him to. Matt is more of a track kind of guy. He has tracked the car 3 or 4 times. He doesn't care about concours or any other show. When we talked he said he really didn't want a concours detail and just to make it look good. At the end he was very happy and I was ok with it. We weren't planning to take it there and win a blue ribbon. If you really inspected the paint as well as you say, you would have noticed the obvious paint drips at the bottom of the passenger door. There are imperfections in the paint that a buffer isn't going to get out. Being cautious I did not want to ruin a million dollar car and didn't push a few areas. I would rather have a happy client rather than burn the paint on that or any other car. The exhaust I didn't mess with, that was his doing because he said he would worry about the little nick nacks here and there. Like I said before I didn't take as many pictures as I could have, I have taken pictures before with other details even if I still had swirls and the paint didn't come out 100%. I wasn't trying to cover anything up by not taking pictures of those areas. Either the sun was not hitting the areas at the time or I over looked. I appologize but I was in a bit of a hurry on Thursday afternoon when all was finished because I was getting a vasectomy that afternoon. I had a few other things on my mind other than "did I get that picture". Once again I sincerly appologize and next time will better document my details. I don't know which 356 was yours but they were all beautiful cars. I hope you enjoyed the show as I did. Once again, thank you for the criticism and I appologize for not meeting your standards.

I DO NOT want this to become some B.S. high school girl ranting going back and forth. You have said your peace and I mine. Thank you

Jason



EDIT: the car in the garage was not a 2002 it was a 1600
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That is all that matters!
 
MobileJay said:
Hi Steven,



Thanks for the criticisim, its always good and will push somebody to be better next time. This car is the car the Eddie Griffin wrecked yes. The car has been rebuilt and sections of the car have been repainted. Very hard to judge how far to take the correction when you don't have a paint meter gauge. There were a lot of areas where after 3-4 passes with a pfw and spinning at 1500 wasn't taking the imperfections out that I didn't want to burn the paint. Maybe that is my fault and a better experienced detailer would be able to tell with out a PMG how much further he could have went. When Matt and I talked he wasn't even putting the car in the show, it was only a week before when he decided because a friend told him to. Matt is more of a track kind of guy. He has tracked the car 3 or 4 times. He doesn't care about concours or any other show. When we talked he said he really didn't want a concours detail and just to make it look good. At the end he was very happy and I was ok with it. We weren't planning to take it there and win a blue ribbon. If you really inspected the paint as well as you say, you would have noticed the obvious paint drips at the bottom of the passenger door. There are imperfections in the paint that a buffer isn't going to get out. Being cautious I did not want to ruin a million dollar car and didn't push a few areas. I would rather have a happy client rather than burn the paint on that or any other car. The exhaust I didn't mess with, that was his doing because he said he would worry about the little nick nacks here and there. Like I said before I didn't take as many pictures as I could have, I have taken pictures before with other details even if I still had swirls and the paint didn't come out 100%. I wasn't trying to cover anything up by not taking pictures of those areas. Either the sun was not hitting the areas at the time or I over looked. I appologize but I was in a bit of a hurry on Thursday afternoon when all was finished because I was getting a vasectomy that afternoon. I had a few other things on my mind other than "did I get that picture". Once again I sincerly appologize and next time will better document my details. I don't know which 356 was yours but they were all beautiful cars. I hope you enjoyed the show as I did. Once again, thank you for the criticism and I appologize for not meeting your standards.

I DO NOT want this to become some B.S. high school girl ranting going back and forth. You have said your peace and I mine. Thank you

Jason



EDIT: the car in the garage was not a 2002 it was a 1600
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Jason I have seen your work before and have always been impressed. I am not doubting that you did not do great correction to the paint but I believe that it could have been due to the improper quick detailer techniques used by Matt and the others wiping down the car. This was in no way an attack against your work I was just upset to see the car already having swirls and such after it being detailed the week prior. You obviously do great work if you are working on an Enzo. :2thumbs:



Steven
 
Steven, no hard feelings. Thank you and if I would have known who you were at the show I would have said hi. It is always nice to talk to another detailer.
 
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