Definitive list of pure waxes and synthetic paint protectant?

Hm, I think the problem is that "pure waxes and synthetic paint protectant" do not necessarily guarantee layering.



Mike Phillips said:
Excuse my, but what is DPPS?
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DPPS = Detailer's Pride Paint Sealant, but I think Autogeek discontinued it now that they sell UPP.
 
BW said:
Hm, I think the problem is that "pure waxes and synthetic paint protectant" do not necessarily guarantee layering.

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IMHO this was Mikes point! How many waxes/sealants DO guarantee layering?



So few...;)
 
BW said:
Hm, I think the problem is that "pure waxes and synthetic paint protectant" do not necessarily guarantee layering.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. By the title I figured it was just gonna be a list of products that have basically no cleaning power/are low in solvents. But I like Mosca's definition of layering, which most of those pure waxes and definitely products like Blackfire and such fit into. And that's that if you put them over something like Klasse or Zaino, they shouldn't really remove the Klasse or Zaino. IMO that's really the interesting thing to know about a product. :nixweiss
 
I never heard of Trade Secret. It sure comes in an attractive container. Guess I should search this forum for more info.
 
bigguy said:
Scottwax on Detail City Dewayne stated that EX containing carnuaba will not allow sealant like Zanio, UPP or Klasse SG to layer on top of them.
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I'm not talking about layer anything other than EX over EX.
 
BW said:
Hm, I think the problem is that "pure waxes and synthetic paint protectant" do not necessarily guarantee layering.
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Right, one problem could be something like solvents, as is the case with Einszett Glanz Wax.



Of course, we don't have to be 100% sure about what we list here. Mike was just asking for products that are believed to be layerable. So things that people have said, "I'm pretty sure it's layerable..." should be fine like carnauba waxes, which have been heavily debated whether any "layering" goes on at all, but which we know many won't remove whatever is applied underneath them.



Except for the Malm's product Accumulator mentioned I think all the carnaubas are going to be pastes, because liquid waxes seem to have too many solvents..... which is part of the big floating question mark when you turn to sealants.





EDIT: As said before, let's NOT turn this into a "layerable or not" debate.... we don't have the solid answers!
 
tcl said:
I never heard of Trade Secret. It sure comes in an attractive container.
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I could be REAL WRONG on this but I thought years ago Top of Line told me Trade Secret was just rebadged Pinnacle. Since Irene was friends with the owner of Pinnacle he let her resell it under the name Trade Secret. Like I said I could be wrong on that, it was some time ago.
 
Question?



Is 4 Star Ultimate Paint Protection the same product that used to be called Platinum Ultimate Paint Protection?



Or am I confused with another product?



Also, I have never used Crystal Guard, is this a layerable product, or thought to be layerable?



Mike
 
4 Star and Platinum UPP are the same thing, Dwayne had to just change the name.

From my understanding, Cyrstal Guard is supposed to be layerable. Not many have tried it out though.
 
Greg said:
4 Star and Platinum UPP are the same thing, Dwayne had to just change the name.

From my understanding, Crystal Guard is supposed to be layerable. Not many have tried it out though.
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I watched the Crystal Guard online pro video this morning and the person in the video said Crystal Guard would not fill in any scratches and any scratches would have to be buffed out some other way first. So if it's layerable, why wouldn't multiple layers slowly fill in fine scratches and swirls?



Just thinking out loud. I know there is a huge discussion on this product but since I have never used it, I cannot comment on it.



Same thinking kind of goes with other products that supposedly can be layered. If they can be layered, then it would seem that multiple layers would eventually fill-in fine swirls and scratches?



Again, just thinking out loud...



Mike
 
copy pasted from a Blitz add:



Blitz--

Quite possibly the finest and easiest to use paste car wax ever made and at a price too good to be true One Grand Blitz Wax is fabulous. Easy on, easy off. Brilliant shine! One Grand BLITZ WAX is the Ultimate in Carnauba Paste Wax. Each can of BLITZ WAX is an authentic original, handcrafted today by the same family that started ONE GRAND in 1933. For over 45 years, discriminating people like yourself who appreciate quality have enjoyed the ease of application and amazing results that BLITZ WAX provides. When used as directed, BLITZ WAX produces a deep, durable, clear finish which preserves and protects against all harmful elements. BLITZ WAX has no abrasives or cleaners. You can layer as many coats as you desire and it just gets deeper and clearer. BLITZ WAX is exceptional on all painted surfaces. 10 ounce can.
 
Thumper said:
I could be REAL WRONG on this but I thought years ago Top of Line told me Trade Secret was just rebadged Pinnacle. Since Irene was friends with the owner of Pinnacle he let her resell it under the name Trade Secret. Like I said I could be wrong on that, it was some time ago.
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Hmmm.... I would find that hard to believe, if so that's pretty messed up. There is a huge price gap bewteen the two, if i were to find out that they were the same and i just bought Pinnacle i would be quite unhappy.
 
Mantic6t9 said:
Hmmm.... I would find that hard to believe, if so that's pretty messed up. There is a huge price gap bewteen the two, if i were to find out that they were the same and i just bought Pinnacle i would be quite unhappy.
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Like I said that was some time ago but I thought that's what I was told. I think the reason Irene said that is because I was thinking of trying Pinnacle and she said Trade Secret was the same thing. I'll try and check tomorrow.
 
Mike Phillips said:
I watched the Crystal Guard online pro video this morning and the person in the video said Crystal Guard would not fill in any scratches and any scratches would have to be buffed out some other way first. So if it's layerable, why wouldn't multiple layers slowly fill in fine scratches and swirls?

Mike
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In my experience with crystal guard, it does fill in very light swirls. I liked the look the crystal guard gives. It made my black paint look very glassy. It really looks like there's a glass layer on top of the paint. The only thing i don't like about the product is it needs 2-3 days for it to thoroughly bond to the paint. So,if it get rained on or washed within those times the crystsal guard just washes off. Also, after the first wash the paint doesn't feel as slick anymore. The first time you apply crystal guard is smooth like butter. Smoother than zaino IMO. but after a wash the smooth buttery feel is gone. It now feels like glass. Another thing that is keeping me away from this product is it's price. BTW, i am reffering only to the CG quick. I haven't used their pro kit.
 
Mantic6t9 said:
Hmmm.... I would find that hard to believe, if so that's pretty messed up. There is a huge price gap bewteen the two, if i were to find out that they were the same and i just bought Pinnacle i would be quite unhappy.
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Early on, and I mean way early on, when Trade Secret was first introduced the formula may have been the same but it is now designed per Irenes request. The containers have also changed and I should know as I tested the very first samples for her and I believe I still have one of those containers floating around with wax still in it....is wax like wine where it gets better with age?:nixweiss :D



Trade Secret and P21S are said to be low in solvents and thus can be layered, or multiple applications applied BUT as a pro, and I am sure other pros will agree, I (we) really don't have the time to spend laying down multiple coats so for me it's just one layer and then I am off tot he next one.



Interesting thread!

Anthony
 
Like Anthony said, this is the email I got back from Irene of TOL Trade Secret is made for us by Pinnacle. It is very similar to the Souveran. They are recommended for the same intense depth of color.
 
CrystalGuard can be multi-layerd. It is recommend to buff out the existing scratches prior to CG. Once applied, CG fills in swirls in its own layers. Any scrtaches will be the the glass layer, not the paint. It can't fix pre-existing paint damage. The CG Quick is used more as a replenisher for the PRo or Ex coats, though it seems many people like it as a stand alone product.



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