MarcBickham
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I've seen mention of people avoiding the spray-on tire shine. It works good enough for me, and it's easy. Does it harm the rubber? Thanks
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Ron Ketcham
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Not any longer, at one time yes, but then AmorAll is on it's third owner in about 7 years.
Lawsuits, yes, lots and lots of them. Especially due to QuickSilver wheel cleaner.
Last word inside the industry was they were defending in the area of 17 million in suits.
As far as dressings, it is an issue of weakening the sidewalls, the sling staining permanently the flex agent painted parts. Expensive repair, priced some painting of panels lately?
3M, Mequiar's, etc are not selling high petroulem distillate content/dimethal silicone fluid tire dressings. They learned their lesson and don't want to pay out all that money again.
Lawsuits, yes, lots and lots of them. Especially due to QuickSilver wheel cleaner.
Last word inside the industry was they were defending in the area of 17 million in suits.
As far as dressings, it is an issue of weakening the sidewalls, the sling staining permanently the flex agent painted parts. Expensive repair, priced some painting of panels lately?
3M, Mequiar's, etc are not selling high petroulem distillate content/dimethal silicone fluid tire dressings. They learned their lesson and don't want to pay out all that money again.
http://www.303-products.com/techinfo/whytiresareblack.htm
Other Degradants
Petrochemicals and silicone oils can remove the protective waxes and increase the rate of degradation. Common automotive "protectants" and "tire dressings" are typically devoid of UV stabilizers of any type and contain petrochemicals and/or silicone oils which dissolve away the protective waxes and can actually aggress the sidewall. In the event of warranty sidewall failure, one of the first things tire manufacturers look for is evidence of the use of these types of products. When found, this is often cause for not warranting the sidewall failure.
Other Degradants
Petrochemicals and silicone oils can remove the protective waxes and increase the rate of degradation. Common automotive "protectants" and "tire dressings" are typically devoid of UV stabilizers of any type and contain petrochemicals and/or silicone oils which dissolve away the protective waxes and can actually aggress the sidewall. In the event of warranty sidewall failure, one of the first things tire manufacturers look for is evidence of the use of these types of products. When found, this is often cause for not warranting the sidewall failure.
Ron Ketcham
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Wonder where they got the information?
Heh,heh.
The statement is correct, 303 uses the same resin system we do, the formula is the same with the exception of the percentage of resin.
Our market is different than theirs, so we are about 4 to 5% less on the resin content.
That doesn't account for the substantial difference in price, but marketing does cost money.
Individuals that they market to require the additional life of the resin on the tire vs our commercial market.
I used to produce a higher resin content product, same as 303, but was not a big seller in our markets, so dropped it.
Heh,heh.
The statement is correct, 303 uses the same resin system we do, the formula is the same with the exception of the percentage of resin.
Our market is different than theirs, so we are about 4 to 5% less on the resin content.
That doesn't account for the substantial difference in price, but marketing does cost money.
Individuals that they market to require the additional life of the resin on the tire vs our commercial market.
I used to produce a higher resin content product, same as 303, but was not a big seller in our markets, so dropped it.
I'm sorry but could you name a tire product without silicones? These posts show up everywhere and just seem to perpetuate unsubstantiated myths like breathing paint. Can someone show me a link where a tire shine product is actually found to be responsible for sidewall failure. A kid dying because he drank acid wheel cleaner is one thing but I just have never actually seen a real case of tire failure due to shine products. Sure, a dealer may try to blame tire failure on those products to wiggle out of a warranty claim but please show me to the bulletin published by a major tire manufacturer stating this policy.
Ron Ketcham
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They have issued these and should share them with you.
Ford, GM and DCX have issued to their dealers, since 1994, various bulletins regarding this.
The only published data I can easily point you towards is the Ford Tech Tips that they put out a couple of years ago, it is on our site.
The TSB on it is available from dealers, but pretty hard to get one to look it up for you.
Facts are facts, just that some are hidden away, so get out the microscope and go play detective. That is about the only way one can get the information.
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Ford, GM and DCX have issued to their dealers, since 1994, various bulletins regarding this.
The only published data I can easily point you towards is the Ford Tech Tips that they put out a couple of years ago, it is on our site.
The TSB on it is available from dealers, but pretty hard to get one to look it up for you.
Facts are facts, just that some are hidden away, so get out the microscope and go play detective. That is about the only way one can get the information.
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I don't want to use a tire that has a safety threshhold can be overcome by a spray on product. Or is it the other way, I don't want to use a product that affects a tire to where it interrupts its safety threshhold.
You would think that if they had a tire product that met all an Autopian's needs, that we would all use it (one for high gloss, the other for not).
You would think that if they had a tire product that met all an Autopian's needs, that we would all use it (one for high gloss, the other for not).
I've been mixing Meguiars W-Dressing with Armor All. I like the W-Dressing, but it is thicker than most others (but not a gel), so when I spray it onto the block tread of truck tires, it comes out in a thin line. By cutting it 50/50 with Armor All, it sprays more easily into the sidewall tread of 4 x 4 style tires.
For regular passenger tires, I spay the mixture onto a towel and wipe it on, and once I spray into the side tread on truck tires, I wipe the product on the rest of the tire and then wipe down the sprayed areas so there is no sling.
In any event, the mixture is durable, has a natural shine and is cost effective.
For regular passenger tires, I spay the mixture onto a towel and wipe it on, and once I spray into the side tread on truck tires, I wipe the product on the rest of the tire and then wipe down the sprayed areas so there is no sling.
In any event, the mixture is durable, has a natural shine and is cost effective.
Ron Ketcham
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That is the good resin, all you would have to do with the thick stuff is add water. That is the carrier in both products.
svanderbilt
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You can use Armor-All, Black Magic, etc, but you could just use the Aerospace 303 or Lexol Vinylex you're already using on your dash and use it on your tires. Less products to buy.
Black Magic Semi-Gloss Dashprotectant contains PDMS resins (the other BM products contain silicone, yuck!)
I use it on my tires, temporarily, it does an okay job (the wheels bead) and the tire is black. I'm going to try some vinylex next cause I have to order some Lexol Cleaner. I recommend the BM semi-gloss for dash and plastic better.
I use it on my tires, temporarily, it does an okay job (the wheels bead) and the tire is black. I'm going to try some vinylex next cause I have to order some Lexol Cleaner. I recommend the BM semi-gloss for dash and plastic better.
imported_Intermezzo
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YoSteve, I was thinking about your passion for BM Dash protectant today while stopping by at Pep Boys. 
Hehe, I opened the bottle and just like you said, the stuff smelled like lemons. Couldn't get myself to buy it though...and I really tried to psych myself up into getting it. But alas, my hand reached for the Lexol instead.
Oh well, as long as SOMEONE'S getting good results from BM.
Hehe, I opened the bottle and just like you said, the stuff smelled like lemons. Couldn't get myself to buy it though...and I really tried to psych myself up into getting it. But alas, my hand reached for the Lexol instead.Oh well, as long as SOMEONE'S getting good results from BM.
EastsideAutoSpa
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I Have a new cyclo and about 12 sets of pads I purchased a few months back I personally did not like it so instead of it collecting more dust i thought maybe ill trade it for ???? I dont know. what do you have PM me.
imported_doctordon
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Paul PM'd you.