I can tell you my wife had two family members catch and die from Covid. Neither was vaccinated, neither had a pre existing condition/comorbidity. One was only 52 years old, in great physical condition, the other, his father was 82 and in great shape. I can understand the the 82 year old, but very hard to understand the 52 year old, especially when I am 54. My main point is/was if they would have been vaccinated, they would both still be alive. As dgage stated, this isn`t an experimental shot at this point. The virus has mutated, that is what is allowing it to infect. The vaccines may not stop the infection as well as they did against the original virus, but they still offer long term protection via T cells and memory cells that keep you from needing hospitalized, or dying. Both of my adult children, my son in law, my wife, my mother in law and myself were exposed at the same time my wife`s two relatives were. My oldest daughter and I both had minor symptoms for less than a day, my wife was sick for 36 hours. That`s it. A much, much better outcome than her two relatives. Oh, on a side note, the only two people present that day that were not vaccinated and were the only two that died from it. tells me all I need to know.
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I can tell you my wife had two family members catch and die from Covid. Neither was vaccinated, neither had a pre existing condition/comorbidity. One was only 52 years old, in great physical condition, the other, his father was 82 and in great shape. I can understand the the 82 year old, but very hard to understand the 52 year old, especially when I am 54. My main point is/was if they would have been vaccinated, they would both still be alive. As dgage stated, this isn`t an experimental shot at this point. The virus has mutated, that is what is allowing it to infect. The vaccines may not stop the infection as well as they did against the original virus, but they still offer long term protection via T cells and memory cells that keep you from needing hospitalized, or dying. Both of my adult children, my son in law, my wife, my mother in law and myself were exposed at the same time my wife`s two relatives were. My oldest daughter and I both had minor symptoms for less than a day, my wife was sick for 36 hours. That`s it. A much, much better outcome than her two relatives. Oh, on a side note, the only two people present that day that were not vaccinated and were the only two that died from it. tells me all I need to know.
I`m truly sorry to hear about your family members dying, but you can`t say with certainty that they would have lived had they gotten the shot.
I can`t remember who now, but I saw someone being interviewed a few months back talking about a family member who died of covid (and had been "vaccinated") say:
"Had they not been vaccinated it would`ve been worse"
Like I said earlier. If you want to get the shot that`s fine with me. You can even drive around in your car alone wearing a mask if it makes you feel better.
While my gut has also served me well, I welcome actual data when making a decision.
The vaccine went through emergency approval and then last year gained formal approval. Normal vaccines go through stages that take years. Phase 1 trials include a couple hundred volunteers to get the vaccine and then the data is reviewed. Then the data is organized and sent to the FDA. Then the data is reviewed by the FDA. Assuming the data looks good, the FDA authorizes Phase 2, which has a few thousand participants. More time preparing and then reviewing data before Phase 3, which has over 10,000 participants. All of these phases and the time spent reviewing takes years before manufacturing can even begin.
The Covid vaccines had their projects crashed, which means they did things in parallel and the FDA had personnel looking at the data right along with the pharmaceuticals scientists so the data was reviewed in real-time. Phase 1 started and initial results were positive, so Phase 2 and Phase 3 started in parallel right after Phase 1. Again, the FDA was reviewing data as the data was coming in. There was no time spent preparing data into nice tables and reports, the raw data was reviewed by the pharmaceutical scientists and FDA scientists together. And this is happening around the world. Israel is even further ahead than the FDA and have suggested a 4th booster doesn’t provide enough improvement in immune response.
Vaccines have a lifespan but 90 days isn’t accurate. Each vaccine between Moderna, Pfizer, J&J, etc have different immune responses they generate, which again is different for each person. The data suggests a booster shot be given for most of the vaccines at the 6 month mark to ensure the strongest immune system in most people. There is still the question of whether additional boosters will be needed every year or 6 months but there is currently no data suggesting it is needed at this time but data continues to come in and is constantly being evaluated. As I said earlier trials in Israel do not suggest a 4th booster is currently warranted. Also, besides the phases being run concurrently, the US government also backed production of the US vaccines to start as soon as the early data coming back looked safe. Normally this would never happen without approval as there are 10s of millions of dollars on the line when starting vaccine production.
Since the vaccine is medical information, the vaccine status is not required to be shared though many congresspeople have shared their vaccine status and it suggests more than 90% are likely vaccinated but definitely over 80% based on those that have shared their vaccination status. All living Presidents have had the vaccine. All governors have supposedly had their vaccines as well. Interesting how some of those saying it may not be needed seem to have protected themselves.
You lost me on so many athletes. Same with pilots. Care to share some information here?
I saw one name mentioned as a professional mountain biker and the rest was anecdotal information of people others knew. And is written as to be conspiratorial with a bold statement in the middle of the article “You Have to be Careful Because You Could be Eliminated”. Not sure this shows a list of athletes or pilots that have died. The NBA has almost all of its players vaccinated and I haven’t read of any getting myocardosis. I do know there was one basketball player on the Florida Gators basketball team that had myocardosis but I don’t remember the details being released. I haven’t seen any data suggesting a direct causation between the vaccine and heart issues.
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Why are so many airline pilots dying… – CITIZEN FREE PRESS
I am not for mandates, the choice is and should be yours. With that said, you have 19 people exposed and the only two that died were not vaccinated, and 3 others that were in their 80`s were vaccinated and barely got sick (but tested positive for the virus) as well as a bunch in their 50`s, and 20`s all vaccinated, all tested positive but were basically asymptomatic. I know which way I am leaning. To summarize, 19 positives, 17 vaccinated and fine, 2 not vaccinated and dead.
No need in arguing with each other over a vaccine. Fortunately we live in a country that gives us the right to differ in opinion. I sincerely hope and pray that we all get through this. On the news the other day even Dr fauci said we could return to normal as early as March of this year (unless another variant pops up). He`s been wrong about everything else, so hopefully he predictions this time is correct!
I`m not sure I understand your point other than pilots died at a much higher rate than normal. And with this pandemic, unfortunately the airlines are on the front line. They`re the ones that bring people and the disease around the world that we`re now dealing with. They`re in a small tin can that recycles air that isn`t filtered often or well enough.
EDIT - This site states that there were over 104,000 pilots in the US in 2020. I was just wondering how many.
How Many Pilots Are There? (USA, Air Force, World) | SkyTough.
And if you look at the death rate for the US over the last few years, over 500,000+ people died more than usual in 2020. This is purposely not looking at the Covid deaths, it is simply looking at all deaths in the United States. 2021 data isn`t all in yet but the early estimate is that it will be at least 30,000 deaths higher than the 2020 US death total.
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And to be clear, I have no desire to argue. I doubt I will be able to change your mind about vaccines but I sure as hell know I won`t change your mind if I attack you or call you names.
I am simply trying to state facts and get away from opinions. This is also why I try to find sources for anything I share.
But I do try to fight misinformation.
I agree, not something to argue about. I am steadfast in my belief we should be more free in our decisions, the government already mandates too many things. I also had a good laugh about being alone in the car and wearing the mask. I see that so often and wonder what people are thinking when they do that.
William_Wallace
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Thank you all feeling well. It was a family birthday party 6 other had got sick that attended. It was a small family gathering and we have identified the ding bat family member that started it all he got sick 2 days sooner then everyone else not super scientific but enough because I believe it’s fairly normal now to pretend we know more than doctors! But am feeling normal.
briarpatch
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For anyone who thinks the vaccine is `new` or `experimental`....I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. If you believe that the Chinese developed a virus without developing a vaccine in parallel, then you`re hopelessly naive. Had the virus become widespread beyond the barricaded Wuhan, the results on the Chinese population would have been catastrophic. Consider this...when the virus was released, China stopped all LOCAL travel in and out of Wuhan, but did not ban INTERNATIONAL travel in and out of Wuhan.....so someone explain to me again that this was an accident. Recently, Chinese mathematicians calculated that there would be 630,000 cases per day if Omicron spread in current day China.
Call me a conspiracy theorist....it matters not to me. Never underestimate the boundless evil that is the Chinese government.
P.S. to the OP, I hope you get well soon and suffer no long term effects.
Call me a conspiracy theorist....it matters not to me. Never underestimate the boundless evil that is the Chinese government.
P.S. to the OP, I hope you get well soon and suffer no long term effects.
When social media banned Alex Jones a few years ago it made me wonder what he was saying that disturbed then so much. I started listening and honestly what he says makes more sense then anything you`ll hear on traditional news.
I don`t believe everything that he says, but he makes me laugh and makes me think so I continue to listen.
According to Alex, Dr Fauci and Bill Gates cooked up this virus 10 years ago along with the CCP. None of these people have taken the experimental shot/vaccine/jab/voodoo medicine.
This wouldn`t surprise me if it were true. Those are 2 creepy looking dudes.
Glad that you are feeling better William
That’s the problem with conspiracies, they sometimes have a bit of truth that then makes you not look at some of the more outlandish claims. But if anything is wrong with any of their claims, you have to start looking harder at all of their claims. Mostly true is not a valid argument.
Sorry but Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates both have gotten the vaccines on video.
And Covid is a family of coronaviruses, also called respiratory syndromes, the current name of COVID-19 because it was identified in 2019. SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) was first identified in 2003. MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome) was identified in 2012. Nature has been doing this longer than any of us. By the way, this is also why the vaccines were able to be developed so quickly, they’ve been working on this class of diseases for over 18 years. And they’ve been working on MRNA (vaccine technology) since the 60s.
But yeah, the conspiracy sounds so much more believable.
I have no clue what is true here. But China definitely has and has shown the ability and will to control their citizens before so it isn’t a stretch anytime they do it.
Another potential answer is that certain members of the govt didn’t have a problem with locking down internally but weren’t on board with closing themselves off to the outside world. It isn’t too much of a stretch, especially when we see similar in the US govt, for the leadership in China to not be in agreement, which could also explain the inconsistent closures. The whole ordeal could just as easily be explained by simple human incompetence or ignorance as much as a conspiracy. A conspiracy is actually harder to pull off than incompetence so I know where i’ll lean first.
wannafbody
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The problem with conspiracy theories is that sometimes they turn out to be true. Time will tell. I have a friend who was 50 and strong as an ox and got covid and was on oxygen for several weeks. I have another friend who had heart surgery and then got covid and pneumonia and was feeling fine in about 3 days. Different reactions for different people. I know another person who was on oxygen for 3 months. Luckily, going on close to two years and I personally know of one person who died from it.
William_Wallace
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The best is every single news anchor or politician from the red side is vaccinated. I find it quite fascinating and lmao they advise there viewers against it. You don’t want to get vaccinated go ahead you might get sick and be fine or you might not if you refuse something that can help you be careful you more like to get taken out by Darwinism.
So your fully vaccinated?