Could this be wrong (Change up in QEW method)?

Originally posted by MorBid I didn't mean to stir up a bees nest (product comparison between Spray and Wipe / QEW) I've never even used S&W.
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People get religious about their products but that's why these forums are so great: you can learn a lot and we can challenge each other on the best way to get the job done. :woot:
 
Originally posted by robman Steve answered your question on the Detailcity thread you started last week.
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I was looking for technical specifics which he declined to provide. Further I had asked him to explain why his product was better that QEW for S&W application - he refused to say.



Were I he, I would hire a PR person to handle all further questions.



I like the product but his attitude has soured me on it and now I'm wondering how committed he is if he won't even explain why it's better than another product not even intended to be used as a spray & wipe.



I wonder what would happen if Protect-all, or some other company, decided to compete? I think I know those answers too.
 
Actually, you asked him to do a test and declare his product superiror. If he did that, would anyone beleive it to be an unbiased review? I do not want to pay more for my products to have steve do these tests with all his products. Did you ask the guys at Protect-All to conduct this test? Do you expect them to? Would you ask Meguiars to compare their products in a scientific test against Mothers products?



Your request is just plain weird man. :nixweiss I think we will just have to continue doing our own tests to get this kind of answer.



Morbid, sorry for stealing your topic. I know this has nothing to do with your question.
 
robman said:
Your request is just plain weird man. :nixweiss
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Why would you think it's odd to ask a vendor why his products performed better regardless of the intention of the competitors or who else I had asked?



Isn't it common business sense to ask for the best product at the lowest price?



To answer your question, no, I didn't ask Protect-all because I liked S&W and needed Steve to convince me of the value since his product is more expensive. He didn't, so it's QEW for me.



I'm so weird, man.
 
robman said:
At least we got one thing straight :D
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:rofl:



Yeah, well, I see people ask the, "is product X worth it" question all of the time which was my question with S&W. Many people responded with, "I'm sure it is, just trust me" so when Steve chimed in I thought I'd ask him directly, "is your product worth it when QEW can be used the same way, appears to do the same thing, and is 5 times cheaper?"



His "answer" was mumbo jumbo. I just it ironic that:



1.) When it comes to S&Ws nobody seems to care if Poorboy's is worth it, and



2.) A product called "Poorboys" is the expensive premium brand.



I can't blame Steve though, he's got people paying Tiffany prices for a Wal-mart product and they seem happy to do it.
 
GrussGott said:




I can't blame Steve though, he's got people paying Tiffany prices for a Wal-mart product and they seem happy to do it.
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Have you ever used any of his polishes and waxes? They are definitely better than anything I can get at Wal-Mart. None of his waxes are particularly expensive either.
 
Ditto Scottwax.



PB's is top quality for sure.



Steve gives a 150% to customer support and will answer any questions that you have. IMO, if you have problems ask him first before sending a bash post. In the end, Steve will tell you to 'use what works best for you'.
 
Scottwax said:
Have you ever used any of his polishes and waxes?
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No, I've only used his S&W and S&G so I can only comment on them and the comment is that QEW does the same job as S&W for 3-5 times cheaper.



BTW Protect-all is sold in Wal-mart! :rofl (in the RV section. You can also get it at any RV center and may camping stores.)



I would agree that S&W has a better "feel" but it doesnt' seem to work any better and I've found situations where it's worse.
 
mgm121499 said:
IMO, if you have problems ask him first before sending a bash post.
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I did ask him first over at Detail City and I'm not bashing him I'm just saying you can get the same job done with the same results for 5 times cheaper. S&W is a great product, it's just not worth the price premium Steve is asking for.



All he had to say was that QEW wasn't "intented" to be used as a S&W; nothing about why S&W was worth the price premium.



By that logic none of us should be using MF towels because they weren't originally designed for detailing cars.



Everyone has drank the kool-aid though, what can I say? :tribe:
 
GrussGott said:
.......All he had to say was that QEW wasn't "intented" to be used as a S&W; nothing about why S&W was worth the price premium.........
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Which part of his reply didn't you understand? It seemed pretty clear to me: "Thus as stated before you are comparing product made to be used in different ways. If you choose to deviate from the intended ways of using them, then you have to do your own testing."

GrussGott said:
.......1.) When it comes to S&Ws nobody seems to care if Poorboy's is worth it, and.........
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Didn't you look at the link someone else posted here where they did compare QEW and S&W? To imply that all members here who use S&W have "drank the kool-aid" is a bit insulting. I use both products, and even use QEW in a spray bottle to pre-treat. My decision to use S&W is based on my experiences with both products. Use what works best for you, and please continue to post your product tests, but please don't suggest that we don't care if a product is "worth it."
 
Originally posted by Eliot Ness To imply that all members here who use S&W have "drank the kool-aid" is a bit insulting. I use both products, and even use QEW in a spray bottle to pre-treat.
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My apologies for the generalization.



As to the "as the product was intended" argument: It only address methodolgy not efficacy - method is only of concern if it alters efficacy, which in this case it doesn't.



As I said, if you only use products "as intended" you better burn all of your MF because it wasn't designed for car detailing.



Here's the correct answer: "Since S&W was designed to be used as a true spray & wipe, not re-purposed as one, it has X, Y and Z characteristics that its competitors don't even have much less the products you suggest."



Had he said this I'd be sitting on 5 gallons of it. But when a manufacturer refuses to technically defend his product against comparison it suggests that he has no defense.



In the end I use both products too, but when my S&W runs out I won't re-up. I just don't need 2 products that do the same thing - especially when one does the same job for 3 times the cost.
 
experimentation is the mother of invention-if you don't experiment with how a product works you won't find new uses for it or possibly improve it-S&W is probably pretty good but IMO quick detailers are just for light dust not for washing a vehicle-Steve probably doesn't have the chemical engineering background to properly answer your questions about QEW as only their chemist could
 
wannafbody said:
Steve probably doesn't have the chemical engineering background to properly answer your questions about QEW
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Yeah, that's probably true, but you'd think he'd at least know the high level features!



For example, "S&W was designed to maximize lubricity without leaving a film such as oil would. Lubricity is what allows the product to blah, blah, blah."



Or this



"S&W's formula bonds to dust and dirt but is repelled by your paint. This allows you to safely remove the particles before they can scratch your car."



BTW, I just used QEW on some Midwest roadspray and it dissolved it right off. When I used S&W on the other side it just stuck to the dirt. I think you're right in that its strength is QD not cleaning.
 
You found something you like, use it often and you'll be happy.



I like S&W and use 99% of the time. The other 1% I am using QEW with the standard 2 Gallon, 1 bucket method.



Happy Detailing.
 
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