compare onr qd strength vs oid

[Rob Tomlin]

I hate to be getting into the habbit of agreeing with Mindflux , but I wouldn't use ONR as a clay lube at anything other than QD strength. I dunno, I guess it's because ONR doesn't really *feel* slippery, so it's hard to judge it's lubrication properties, because the old standard of slippery doesn't apply to it.



I've used it as a clay lubricant at 6 oz to the gallon without marring.

I used ONR last weekend on my step fathers white Saturn at slightly more than the recommended mixture for a clay lube and it worked flawlessly.

 

[scary bill]

I have used ONR at wash mix to clay on the ranger and cr-v. Also at QD mix. No issues either time. As a side note I only clay before I polish.





My lightning shows marring no matter what clay lube I use, I should look into a mild clay like the Sonus green.



I use ONR at QD for cleaning and AW to add pop.

 

[Mindflux]

I hate to be getting into the habbit of agreeing with Mindflux

It's about time you fell in line! :LOLOL

 

[imported_mobenzowner1]

I actually mixxed a little ONR and OID last night for Sh*ts and grins. I was looking to keep most of the cleaning power of ONR but add a touch more gloss/slickness. I did 4 oz of ONR at QD strength and 2 oz of OID. I will use this concoction up on door jams, trunks etc. I will say it did mix okay and seemed to add a touch of gloss/slickness and I cant tell it has lost any of its cleaning power. Nothing of course earth shattering, just a cheap little experiment. I will continue to use the products seperately on the outside paint based on need for cleaning or gloss/slickness.

 

[Mindflux]

I got to thinking on my drive in this morning. Isn't that mixing ratio a bit weird? 6:128? That means you have to have a container that holds 134 ounces of fluid or concoct a smaller batch, say 3:64 (67oz) or 1.5:32 (33.5 oz).



:har:

 

[Gemini13]

I hate to be getting into the habbit of agreeing with Mindflux , but I wouldn't use ONR as a clay lube at anything other than QD strength. I dunno, I guess it's because ONR doesn't really *feel* slippery, so it's hard to judge it's lubrication properties, because the old standard of slippery doesn't apply to it.



I've used it as a clay lubricant at 6 oz to the gallon without marring.

While I completely understand your's and his logic I would think that companies like Meguiars, Optimum and DP (and I'm sure there are some others with concentrated QD type products out there) have a very sound and logical reason for recommending a lesser dilution ratio for claying vs. quick detailing. Otherwise I don't see the need to recommend such a thing. And it's not to make more money because they actually tell you to use less product. Regardless if something works for you and you feel more comfortable in using a certain method then by all means stick with it.

 

[99blackSE]

If 6oz per Gal makes a QD, I don't think there's any way in hell I'd use 2oz per gal to make a Clay Lube.

I also use QD strength ONR for claying, the fact that ONR dilution > clay dilution I guess. It feels safer to me in the end, as lame as that sounds.

 

[SuperBee364]

While I completely understand your's and his logic I would think that companies like Meguiars, Optimum and DP (and I'm sure there are some others with concentrated QD type products out there) have a very sound and logical reason for recommending a lesser dilution ration for claying vs. quick detailing. Otherwise I don't see the need to recommend such a thing. And it's not to make more money because they actually tell you to use less product. Regardless if something works for you and you feel more comfortable in using a certain method then by all means stick with it.

True, and they have also been known to make mistakes. Optimum took the label from their smaller bottles, and simply made them bigger and put them on the gallon bottles. This made the number of capfuls dilution instructions incorrect as the cap on the gallon bottles actually holds *less* liquid than the caps on the quart bottles.



As much as I normally am one to follow directions (and I really am), sometimes you just gotta use your head and ask yourself if it makes sense. Honestly, does it make sense to use a less lubricated dilution ratio as a *clay lube* than for QD'ing? In which application (QD'ing or claying) would you want *more* lubrication than the other? Clay lubing, obviously. OK, which dilution ratio would give you that extra lubrication? If the directions don't make sense, just think it through a bit...



However, if you guys are getting no marring at the lesser dilution, that's great. I'm gonna spend the extra money on a bit higher concentration, though. I really think they did a typo, and meant to have the higer strength recipe be the clay lube, and the lesser for QD. Who knows, maybe some day they'll fix it and the correct capfuls for the gallon jug.

 

[NSXTASY]

True, and they have also been known to make mistakes. Optimum took the label from their smaller bottles, and simply made them bigger and put them on the gallon bottles. This made the number of capfuls dilution instructions incorrect as the cap on the gallon bottles actually holds *less* liquid than the caps on the quart bottles.



As much as I normally am one to follow directions (and I really am), sometimes you just gotta use your head and ask yourself if it makes sense. Honestly, does it make sense to use a less lubricated dilution ratio as a *clay lube* than for QD'ing? In which application (QD'ing or claying) would you want *more* lubrication than the other? Clay lubing, obviously. OK, which dilution ratio would give you that extra lubrication? If the directions don't make sense, just think it through a bit...



However, if you guys are getting no marring at the lesser dilution, that's great. I'm gonna spend the extra money on a bit higher concentration, though. I really think they did a typo, and meant to have the higer strength recipe be the clay lube, and the lesser for QD. Who knows, maybe some day they'll fix it and the correct capfuls for the gallon jug.

I can see that your trying to draw an example of a manufacturer mistake, however, it would be demonstrative to point to a mistake regarding application or dilution rather than volume.



One way to approach ONR dilution 2/6 per gallon for claying would be to consider the end result. If you are trying to remove moderate/heavy contaminants before polishing, I would want a clay lube that is lubricious enough to enable the clay to glide over the paint, while not being so overly slick to inhibit maximum contaminant removal. If the lube is too slick, the clay doesn't cut into the contaminants as well.



If you are trying at all costs to avoid marring at the expense of effectiveness and efficiency, the slicker the lube the better.



So I guess it may depend on what your after. I've used ONR at 2oz/gallon and 6oz/gallon. If I'm claying before polishing I use the former, spot claying and trying to avoid marring, the latter.



Maybe its just me. Maybe Optimum made a mistake. Maybe it doesn't matter (likely).

 

[Rob Tomlin]

I can see that your trying to draw an example of a manufacturer mistake, however, it would be demonstrative to point to a mistake regarding application or dilution rather than volume.



One way to approach ONR dilution 2/6 per gallon for claying would be to consider the end result. If you are trying to remove moderate/heavy contaminants before polishing, I would want a clay lube that is lubricious enough to enable the clay to glide over the paint, while not being so overly slick to inhibit maximum contaminant removal. If the lube is too slick, the clay doesn't cut into the contaminants as well.



If you are trying at all costs to avoid marring at the expense of effectiveness and efficiency, the slicker the lube the better.



So I guess it may depend on what your after. I've used ONR at 2oz/gallon and 6oz/gallon. If I'm claying before polishing I use the former, spot claying and trying to avoid marring, the latter.



Maybe its just me. Maybe Optimum made a mistake. Maybe it doesn't matter (likely).

I couldn't agree more with every point made here.





Shocking considering he drives a Honda!



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[imported_Denzil]

FWIW, I actually find some sort of justification in Optimum's recommended dilution ratios. Usually, in my mind, whenever a quick detail is done on a car, there's at least some thin layer of dust that's going to be removed. However, when claying, there's virtually no dust to be had since you should have, theoretically, just washed the vehicle. Therefore, the explanation of the more diluted claying ratio.



Of course, this is just my way of playing the devil's advocate. Also, I tend to usually polish after claying so I guess my dilution ratio of ONR doesn't really play a large part as to how much I'm concerned about marring. Anyway, just thought I'd contribute to the discussion.

 

[tarponteaser]

Thanks for the feedback guys, based on responses and the thread Scotwax started about OID, I decided to buy both the ONR and OID. I'm putting a 3rd layer of UPGP on this weekend, then next week I can see what difference the OID makes on the finish.

 

[Legacy]

True, and they have also been known to make mistakes. Optimum took the label from their smaller bottles, and simply made them bigger and put them on the gallon bottles. This made the number of capfuls dilution instructions incorrect as the cap on the gallon bottles actually holds *less* liquid than the caps on the quart bottles.



As much as I normally am one to follow directions (and I really am), sometimes you just gotta use your head and ask yourself if it makes sense. Honestly, does it make sense to use a less lubricated dilution ratio as a *clay lube* than for QD'ing? In which application (QD'ing or claying) would you want *more* lubrication than the other? Clay lubing, obviously. OK, which dilution ratio would give you that extra lubrication? If the directions don't make sense, just think it through a bit...



However, if you guys are getting no marring at the lesser dilution, that's great. I'm gonna spend the extra money on a bit higher concentration, though. I really think they did a typo, and meant to have the higer strength recipe be the clay lube, and the lesser for QD. Who knows, maybe some day they'll fix it and the correct capfuls for the gallon jug.

Since I dont use onr as a clay lube, it doesnt matter to me, but not picking on you or the others that are so concerned about the ratio for onr as a clay lube. Why not contact Optimum and verify the ratio for QD and clay lube strength?

 

[SuperBee364]

Since I dont use onr as a clay lube, it doesnt matter to me, but not picking on you or the others that are so concerned about the ratio for onr as a clay lube. Why not contact Optimum and verify the ratio for QD and clay lube strength?

Because then we wouldn't be able to argue about it in this thread. Sheesh.

 

[Gopher]

I've gotta double check my ratios, but I really hated ONR as a QD. I must have screwed up in my conversion (was using smaller spritz bottles) but it was a streaky mess when I tried it.



ACTUALLY, now that I think about it, I mixed the (believed to be proper) ratio with the *** end of some mother's quick detail. Maybe the two don't play well together...

 

[gpm4]

onr is about the only thing i use anymore for a quick wash down or a qd. but when i use it for a qd i mix per the label and then i add the same in pb s&g. that gives it some extra shine and slickness...

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