Combo: AIO VM & SG

andriver

andriver

Detailing Hobbyist
Has anyone used this combo before? What kind of results did you get?



The reason I ask is that I have a few scratches on my Jeep's hood and wanted to add VM to my current combo. Thanks for your comments....Andrew
 
Haven't tried that particular combo. I'd worry about the VM causing bonding problems with the SG. Maybe use it first, THEN the AIO/SG. But the AIO will clean off what the VM leaves behind.



BTW, *IN MY EXPERIENCE* the VM was too mild to do much of anything for swirls, let alone scratches. Has worked well for others, though.
 
Accumulator is right. If you use VM before AIO, the AIO will strip the oils in the VM. You can't use VM between AIO and SG because the oils in VM won't allow SG to bond.



In my testing of VM, it was nothing special.
 
DetailGirl said:
VM will leave a much better surface then something such as S100 GEPC
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That would be a matter of opinion. I Prefer GEPC, IMO it has better depth and fills better than VM. At least GEPC's "fragrance" never warped any plastic bottles.
 
ShowroomLincoln said:
That would be a matter of opinion. I Prefer GEPC, IMO it has better depth and fills better than VM. At least GEPC's "fragrance" never warped any plastic bottles.
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That fragrance is no longer being added for exactly that reason.
 
SickOfItAll said:
That fragrance is no longer being added for exactly that reason.
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If better R&D, quality control, and product testing had been in place it would have never been in there to start with.
 
ShowroomLincoln said:
That would be a matter of opinion. I Prefer GEPC, IMO it has better depth and fills better than VM. At least GEPC's "fragrance" never warped any plastic bottles.
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I beleive that the larger concensus is that VM is a quality product. There is a minoroty that don't like the product and they have been known to voice that opinion often.



I wonder what would happen if Everett took the time to change its color and sell it as a private label to an online store known to package products under is own name. Would there be more positive reviews?



Maybe Everett should release Vanilla Moose under another name, charge $10.00 more per bottle and market it. Oh wait, that's already been done...
 
Scott P said:
I beleive that the larger concensus is that VM is a quality product. So, that opinion is shared by many.
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There are also quite a few who think the product performance does not equal the hype it's given by some around here.
 
ShowroomLincoln said:
If better R&D, quality control, and product testing had been in place it would have never been in there to start with.
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Everett made good on any returns that had the problems with the bottles warping and not all of them did. I still have a few that have the vanilla scent and the bottles are fine.



I've gotten product from Meguiars like swirl free that were unusually thin and didn't work well and they are a very large company. No problems with them taking it back and replacing it either. Mistakes happen. Look at all the carmakers that have to recall their new vehicles, and they have massive R & D budgets.



Seems to me the ones who are hyper critical of Clearkote products are the moderators here. Gee, I wonder why? :rolleyes: Anyway, I know I am not the only pro on this board that has been pleased with Clearkote products and my reputation is on the line everytime I detail a car and get paid for it.







Getting back to the topic at hand, Vanilla Moose's abrasives are not strong enough for any major scratches. It is more meant for light swirls and spiderwebbing. I also agree that you may have some bonding issues, although I haven't had any problems using Winner's Choice Polymer or Final Polish (also a polymer) on top of Vanilla Moose.
 
Scottwax said:
Seems to me the ones who are hyper critical of Clearkote products are the moderators here. Gee, I wonder why? :rolleyes:
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Gee, amazing you of all people would respond to a ClearKote thread. Wonder why? :rolleyes:
 
ShowroomLincoln said:
Gee, amazing you of all people would respond to a ClearKote thread. Wonder why? :rolleyes:
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Maybe because I saw all those posts that were in the mod forum about Clearkote, me and Brian. I guess you haven't stopped your personal vendetta yet.
 
It does kind of seem that way..... not pointing a finger it just seems KC Gets mentioned in 80% of some peoples posts



I like VM, makes quick work on my wheels, but for 15 bucks plus 8 shipping with a 2 week shipping time for all my pasts orders I think I can do better locally. I got a free bottle just to see if the new formula worked any better on my paint, it didn't. For me comparing VM to GEPC/SEC its not a hard choice



The fact that there is some here who still don't believe the entire KC product line was hyped here still shocks me. I have given away a bottle here (never did get a review from you 4DRSC, guess it worked the same for you?) gave away my replacement bottle of Moose wax, got it back the next day, its a mediocre product at best, you can do better with Mothers for half the cost



Its one thing to take my cash on BS reports, that I can handle, but to continue to claim this product is "The Best" when its a very basic silicone Petroleum Distillate Cleaner that takes balls. ( remember being promised that info a while back, never did get posted)



IM sure I will be flamed, feel free, sometimes I feel like im watching the emperor has no clothes being played out right before my eyes.



One thing this whole thing has caused me to think over is going into biz for myself. As a car salesmen friend says "there's an *** for every seat" Me included of course
 
I don't want to add to the Clear Kote controversy but I have used Clear Kote products, Klasse products, Pinnacle and Klasse products. I find all these products to work well on different cars. I do not find any one product superior. They all have their strengths as well as weaknesses....Andrew
 
FalconGuy said:




The fact that there is some here who still don't believe the entire KC product line was hyped here still shocks me. I have given away a bottle here (never did get a review from you 4DRSC, guess it worked the same for you?) gave away my replacement bottle of Moose wax, got it back the next day, its a mediocre product at best, you can do better with Mothers for half the cost



Its one thing to take my cash on BS reports, that I can handle, but to continue to claim this product is "The Best" when its a very basic silicone Petroleum Distillate Cleaner that takes balls. ( remember being promised that info a while back, never did get posted)
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I don't recall anyone claiming Moose Wax is the best wax there is. It is a decent cleaner wax and that is what it's specific use is. Vanilla Moose is a decent glaze/wax, but I think most people are using a carnuba topper of some sort on top of it, just like you would with GEPC/SEC or Meguiars #7, even though VM does have some protective qualities.



What bothers me is that I mention how much I like Meguiars products (and anyone who remembers when I first started coming to Autopia, that is what I used exclusively) or S100, no one even would hint that I am hyping their products, receiving freebies or am a distributer (which I am not). Mention Clearkote though and I get accused of all sorts of unethical things, especially by mods and frankly, I am tired of it. Clearkote products work for me and apparently for a lot of other people. If you want to use them, fine; if you don't fine. I just think there is a lot of unfair bashing by a select few (and I don't include you in this FalconGuy because you are not who I am referring to in any way) that at times goes way past just not liking a product.
 
I haven't seen any moderators accusing you of pushing any CK Scott. Maybe its just me?



I have used some CK products and find them low average to average products but nothing spectacular and way over hyped.



VM and sealants don't mix, actually most any glazes and sealants don't mix. Like trying to mix protein powder with your're bowl of cereal in the morning, just doesn't work.



I honestly won't clump cars and detailing products together in terms of R and D and such. More laws and regs over car manufacturing than car detailing and a vast expanse of price differences. I can surely afford a bottle of bath tubbers polish or wax, but a car? My pockets aren't that deep.



My 2 cents.....
 
JasonC8301 said:
I haven't seen any moderators accusing you of pushing any CK Scott. Maybe its just me?



I have used some CK products and find them low average to average products but nothing spectacular and way over hyped.



VM and sealants don't mix, actually most any glazes and sealants don't mix. Like trying to mix protein powder with your're bowl of cereal in the morning, just doesn't work.



I honestly won't clump cars and detailing products together in terms of R and D and such. More laws and regs over car manufacturing than car detailing and a vast expanse of price differences. I can surely afford a bottle of bath tubbers polish or wax, but a car? My pockets aren't that deep.



My 2 cents.....
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Nobody has outright said it that I've seen - but it's been mentioned indirectly a few times.
 
FalconGuy said:
I have given away a bottle here (never did get a review from you 4DRSC, guess it worked the same for you?) gave away my replacement bottle of Moose wax, got it back the next day, its a mediocre product at best, you can do better with Mothers for half the cost
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Hi Paul, no I haven't forgotten about you and my promise, but I don't have enough experience with it to make a full report yet. I've been meaning to get my hands on a black trunk lid or something to test it out better (all vehicles are silver...), but I have been seriously dragging my feet all summer as far as detailing projects and tests go.... :( :( :o :o



So far all I have done is a brief test of MW compared to a few other popular cleaner waxes. All I can really say so far are these things: MW is surprisingly thick, and easy to use, but not easier to use. It did not seem to look better or worse than the other products (but this is a poorly prepped silver hood) or polish the surface any more strongly (not surprising though). MW smelled better than Nu Finish, but that's not difficult! :p Slickness however, was slightly poorer than a couple competitors. From what I have seen SO FAR it does not seem to be something special.



I really want to test this product out on dark paint though, and do some durability testing as well..... it's coming I promise!! :o
 
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