Collinite Woes

dschribs- Sigh...that`s all too common (the unwanted prep). Seems some dealerships don`t take such stuff seriously until they literally lose a sale right at the finish line and IME they fully expect that simply won`t happen.

I honestly think you oughta complain to the dealership since they`ve just a) sold you a dmaged vehicle and b) stolen a lot of your time/effort and presumably c) broke their contract with you to deliver it unprepped. But OK, OK...I know that`s unrealistic...so I`ll just drop all that and assume you`re gonna fix it.

SO, if I were *you*, I would:

-decontaminate it, preferably with chemicals (which should leave you with bare paint)
-do whatever you gotta to correct the marring (I wouldn`t expect HD Polish/white to be aggressive enough)
-STRIP it again, be 100% certain that you have bare paint even if you use "clean" compounds/polishes
-LSP with the Collinite

Eh, I bet you already knew that`s what`s called for, sorry there isn`t any easy work-around that I can think of.

FWIW, I can`t feel Polishing Oils on paint. It can feel squeeky-clean but still be contaminated. But as with the "baggie or bare hand?" and so many things...YMMV and personal preference factors in too.

FWIW#2, I let my Collinite 845/476S set up for quite a while unless using it on plastic. No problems, slightly better durability than when I buff it off sooner.
 
I`m so confused by this thread. Honestly, this is what learning detailing is about. You have to come up with a process to do something so you are not chasing your tail.

Maybe I`m dumb, but I can`t tell for sure if:

1. The holograms where their hidden by the glaze.

2. The holograms are just "wax holograms" (that you can sometimes get on black cars with certain waxes).

From the posts above.

If it was me, before I did anything - I would figure out which of the two it is.

An easy way to do this, is:

1. Get a can of Prep All

2 Tape off half the hood

3 Clean 1/2 with with Prep All

4. Wax the "cleaned" half of the hood with another wax

5. Then inspect in the sun.

Another way to go about it, is simply to do a test spot, obtain acceptable results - and polish the whole car. Then, re-wax.

Honestly, if it was me, and a BLACK car, I would have never just applied wax without doing some polishing and inspection on a brand new car. Any other color - doesn`t matter as much.
 
Swanicyouth- Right, gotta have a clearly defined/determined process.

And no you`re not being dumb...it`s basically impossible to tell what`s going on without being there and doing what`s called for. We`re just guessing, but with any luck we`ll get dschribs pointed in the right direction. Oh man, how frustrating this must be!

I`d tweak your suggestion just a little in that I`d do the in-sun/etc. inspection after the stripping but *before* rewaxing. See what the true condition of the "bare paint" is so you`re only dealing with one variable at a time.

I bet it`ll end up being a combination of underlying stuff interfering with the 845 *and* some genuine abraded-paint type marring (holograms probably included). But that`s just *my* guess and I`d love to be wrong and have it just be a messed-up LSP issue.

And heh heh, as the owner of a few silver/etc. vehicles I`ll good-naturedly tease you about that "Any other color - doesn`t matter as much..." ;)
 
I know there have been times i felt a car with clean hands and felt nothing but put in a sanwich bag which is thin it felt like sand paper
 
Swanicyouth I like your plan. I`m going to start from scratch and strip the Collinite w wax and grease remover - I actually have PPG Acryli-clean. Then - despite the fact that I really don`t think it necessary - I`ll bow to the pressure and clay the vehicle.

I`ll polish everything w 3D HD polish and a LC white pad then - in case this was an actual issue w my Collinite such as WaxAddict suggested - apply a coat of Blackfire Wet Diamond rather than Collinite this time.

Hoping for some sun on the day that I do it so I can inspect a panel or two after polishing.
 
dschribs- Note that if you instill any marring with the clay it`ll be tough to tell what was caused by others.

It`ll be interesting to see whether the HD Polish (which I really like) will be sufficient to do the correction.

Why the switch to BFWD? Is that "solvent integration" a matter of the wax having gone bad or something?
 
Accumulator said:
dschribs- Note that if you instill any marring with the clay it`ll be tough to tell what was caused by others.

It`ll be interesting to see whether the HD Polish (which I really like) will be sufficient to do the correction.

Why the switch to BFWD? Is that "solvent integration" a matter of the wax having gone bad or something?
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I switching LSP`s because i want to take the Collinite element completely out of the picture. After doing some research - and given what Waxaddict mentioned - it does appear that it can be finicky at times - especially on black cars. Perhaps the Collinite was indeed the main culprit here.
 
dschribs- Ah,OK...thanks for explaining.

I`ve used post-VOC 845 without issues, but it`s almost certainly one of those YMMV things and I sure understand just taking it out of the equation.
 
Longshot, but try doing a damp ONR towel wipedown (ring towel out from a fresh batch of ONR), might level the wax.
 
Just to bring this thread back around..it was indeed the Collinite that was the problem. After two washings (Duragloss 901) and having the vehicle sit in the sun for a few days - the holograms have all but disappeared. So it was either the product or the application.

It was the first time I applied 845 by hand. I usually use my Griots DA and Griots red pad but I wanted to try one of the new notched buff and shine applicator pads I had bought. I guess it must have held more product than I thought and I applied it too thick. Also, I noticed that the date on my 845 was 1999 (I write the date of purchase on the bottom of all my bottles) so there may be something to the theory of not having the solvent integrated with the wax as Waxaddict suggested. So out w the old - in w the new. Just bought a fresh bottle of 845 yesterday.

Lesson learned.
 
I had a similar issue over 6 years ago on my Challenger which was new at the time. ....never had one with 845 until that point. In my case, I wanted to simply throw something on it until I had time to do a more thorough job. I am almost certain it was due to some residue that was still on the paint after my quickie decon job. ...I believe I was simply using a strong soap/cleaner like Chemical Guys CWC at the time (before I got my Valugard ABC order).
 
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