Collinite can look good!

I'm not saying your pics, or your vehicle look bad. I'm saying if you want a paint protectant that lasts the longest, choose Zaino or Klasse by themselves.



Natural waxes are generally chosen because appearance is more important than longevity. Some (not all) of today's synthetic waxes are far superior to any natural wax in terms of longevity and resistance to the elements and washing.



I'm also saying that I don't believe the two different waxes you've chosen to layer will work that well together based on their chemistry (both use petroleum distilliate solvents). However in practice, I have no experience with the exact combination you're using. I have tried layering a cheaper natural wax over a synthetic polymer wax and didn't get results I thought were better than just layering one of the waxes separately.



One thing you may have going for you is you said the 476 was very difficult to put on and take off. This probably means they used less solvents (solvents are used to make the wax workable). Less solvents may mean it won't be as reactive with the Zaino.
 
Pondscum said:
I'm also saying that I don't believe the two different waxes you've chosen to layer will work that well together based on their chemistry (both use petroleum distilliate solvents).

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Is there a wax or sealant that doesn't?
 
Pondscum said:
Meguiar's #16 is in the Gurureports wax test. It rated much lower than Collonite 476.
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P21S also lasted longer than #16 in the Guru tests also and I don't think anyone here who has used both products would agree that P21S lasts longer in the real world than #16.



I don't know why #16 didn't last very long in that tested. Certainly no anti-Meguiars bias because #26 did very well in durability vs the other carnaubas. :nixweiss
 
stevet said:
Is there a wax or sealant that doesn't?
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Yes. Klasse is acrylic resin based and does not use petroleum distilliates.



This is why most people who layer a synthetic and a natural wax use Klasse as their base.
 
Pondscum said:
Yes. Klasse is acrylic resin based and does not use petroleum distilliates.
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Wrong answer . My bottle of Klasse SG clearly says it contains petroleum distillates. If you own a bottle I suggest you read the back before posting an answer like this.





I asked if there was a wax or sealant that does not contain PD'S because I don't know of one that doesn't. I don't think there are any.
 
Scottwax said:
P21S also lasted longer than #16 in the Guru tests also and I don't think anyone here who has used both products would agree that P21S lasts longer in the real world than #16.



I don't know why #16 didn't last very long in that tested. Certainly no anti-Meguiars bias because #26 did very well in durability vs the other carnaubas. :nixweiss
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If you read the report on both P21S and #16, they were both dead at about the 7-8 week point. P21S rated much higher due to appearance. They also did the test during cooler months. Had they done the tests in the middle of the summer, I bet #16 would have outlasted P21S by quite a bit.
 
Pondscum, I think you made a good point, because S100 lasts me 4-5 weeks before I have to wax again during summer, which falls short of there 7-8 weeks. And also I believe 16 is a higher temp wax, I think it even says it on the tin.
 
SergC said:
There is nothing on the bottle about petro distilates.



So his answer isn't necessary wrong.
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Read the back Serg. It's at the very bottom. It says,



Danger: May be harmful or fatal if swallowed. Keep out of reach of children. Contains petroleum distillate.





I suggest you look a little closer.
 
stevet said:
Wrong answer . My bottle of Klasse SG clearly says it contains petroleum distillates. If you own a bottle I suggest you read the back before posting an answer like this.





I asked if there was a wax or sealant that does not contain PD'S because I don't know of one that doesn't. I don't think there are any.
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I looked on the back of my bottle of SG and it does say it contains petroleum distilliates. My guess is they use some type of petroleum distilliate as a binder which evaporates during the curing process. However this doesn't change the fact that Klasse uses a water emulsified acrylic as it's base. Acrylics are water based, not petroleum based. When Klasse cures, the binder will evaporate and you'll be left with an acrylic which dries to a very hard finish.



Polymer waxes like Zaino emulsify in petroleum distilliates because they are based on silicone, not acrylic resins. There is such a thing as silicones which are water based, but I don't think these are used for synthetic waxes. Natural waxes are also emulsified in petroleum distilliates. Most of the petroleum distilliates used in these products perstist rather than evaporate. This is why it's much harder to get these two types of waxes to layer with each other. They contain the same type of solvents and tend to mix with each other rather than layer.
 
cheapshot said:
Pondscum, I think you made a good point, because S100 lasts me 4-5 weeks before I have to wax again during summer, which falls short of there 7-8 weeks. And also I believe 16 is a higher temp wax, I think it even says it on the tin.
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That's been my experience also. I think P21S and S100 probably use more beeswax and less petroleum products which make it look better, and layer better. However, it also keeps the melting point lower. I think #16 relies more on petroleum and/or silicone products to make it workable, so it seems to have a higher melting point which makes it last longer during the summer.
 
Pondscum said:
If you read the report on both P21S and #16, they were both dead at about the 7-8 week point. P21S rated much higher due to appearance. They also did the test during cooler months. Had they done the tests in the middle of the summer, I bet #16 would have outlasted P21S by quite a bit.
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I read the report, I have my own copy and 7 of the ten vehicles on the back cover are cars I detailed. I am very familiar with the Guru Report magazine. I have also used both products. #26, P21S and the Collinite waxes were the only ones that made it the entire 8 weeks and were still beading (albeit lightly for #26 and P21S). I also know what was said about appearance, but that is very subjective. Side by side, to my eyes, there is very little difference between the two. The Guru Report is a great overview of paint care and their observations on appearance and durability. I know Steve put a lot of work into it, but Guru Reports is not the final word on detailing products. Based on my own usage, some of the results are dead on and others aren't. What matters is how well the product works for you personally.



You put S100/P21S on one side of the car and #16 on the other side (assuming equal prep work) and not only will most people not be able to distinguish between the two, #16 will last longer regardless of whether it is summer or winter.



BTW, as much as I like S100, my jar has been mostly untouched since I started using #16. :)
 
I cannot understand why people have problems removing Colinite. I applied using a sponge applicator pad and a squirt of Megs FD applying to 2 pannels at a time and then removing with a Pakshak MF cloth.



I love Collinite and will apply it to all of my vehicles over the winter.



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I just applied a coat of Insulator Wax to my car Yesterday. I really like this stuff. One of the easiest products to apply and remove I have used. I applied to the whole car by hand with a yellow Megs foam app. Then went back and removed with a MF towel. Easy on and off. I keep hearing that Collinite waxes are not known for looking good. Insulator Wax looks great on my silver, very glossy. It's also very slick. It feels really different when you run your hand over it. I will be using this more often for sure.
 
I used my PC and a gray foam pad. I do 1/3 of the car and then remove with a MF towel. Comes off pretty easy. I think where you get into trouble is if you applied this stuff to think and let it set on the car to long.
 
stevet said:
I just applied a coat of Insulator Wax to my car Yesterday. I really like this stuff. One of the easiest products to apply and remove I have used. I applied to the whole car by hand with a yellow Megs foam app. Then went back and removed with a MF towel. Easy on and off. I keep hearing that Collinite waxes are not known for looking good. Insulator Wax looks great on my silver, very glossy. It's also very slick. It feels really different when you run your hand over it. I will be using this more often for sure.
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I agree.



My Accord (silver metallic) looks great with lots of sparkle, gloss and as much depth as silver can muster. It's been washed at least 6 - 7 times (NXT) since #476s was applied & it's as slick as the day it was applied. Appearance & results will probably vary on a darker, deeper color.



Thoroughly pleased with Collinite if the durability can live-up to the buzz.
 
Scottwax said:




You put S100/P21S on one side of the car and #16 on the other side (assuming equal prep work) and not only will most people not be able to distinguish between the two, #16 will last longer regardless of whether it is summer or winter.



BTW, as much as I like S100, my jar has been mostly untouched since I started using #16. :)
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I used #16 for the first time on Saturday and to my suprise found it quicker and easier to apply and remove than S100. When I get the chance I'll put another coat on and take a few pictures. S100 lasts an easy 6-8 weeks on a car outside 24/7, looking forward to seeing how long #16 lasts over the winter.
 
Your results are very consistent with what I'm seeing, but the gloss & reflectivity on the darker colors is better than what my silver metallic can produce.



Honestly, if it looks this good and the durability is there, what more could you ask for?
 
"I used #16 for the first time on Saturday and to my suprise found it quicker and easier to apply and remove than S100."



Rubbish-I'm sorry but #16 is much harder to apply and remove than S100 or P21S.



It lasts longer but you never get much more than 2 months with a carnauba in my experience.
 
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just figured I Drag up the collinite thread again



there is 3 layer of collinite on the Baja now because it's getting ready for a road trip to maine..
 
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