Collinite 915 on top of 845

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atsoca

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well yesterday I stripped,polished and waxed my jeep

then waxed with 845 collinite and she looked and felt great.

so today I felt energetic and applied a coat od 915 collinite on top of the 845

but before I did the 915 I did a quick clean off with optimum QD.

do you think there will be a prob with the optimum in between the the 845 and 915?

I looks and feels AWESOME but am a bit worried.

I gave it about 15 min to make sure it dried up before I applied the 915



any of you guys ever top 845 with 915?

whats your results?



thanx

Rob
 
I've never used 915 but I do 476S over 845 quite often. I *suppose* that waiting a while for the 845 to "cure" (scare-quotes intentional because I dunno what it really does) might be of some benefit, but I kinda doubt that it's crucial.
 
Im lookin for a bit more shine thats why I was askin no more no less

I know the 845 will give PLENTY of protection

I live that stuff

but for the winter I use the super dbl coat!!



thanx again

Rob
 
atsoca said:
Im lookin for a bit more shine thats why I was askin no more no less

I know the 845 will give PLENTY of protection

I love that stuff

but for the winter I use the super dbl coat!!



thanx again

Rob
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Is that why you do it too Accumulator, more shine?

Does it do anything else like make it look wetter? You got me thinking again:think:
 
Apollo_Auto said:
Why would you bother topping any Colly product with another? 845 will give you all the protection you need, my man.
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I don't know if that can be said so confidently. I'm expecting 915 to arrive later this week. It'll be used to top multiple layers of 105, and perhaps get topped by layers of itself and 476. The car lives outside and it hasn't been able to retain any LSP for more than a month. This includes multiple layers of 1000P, 845, 476, JW AJ, etc. FWIW, last application of 845 barely lasted 3 weeks. If this doesn't work, I give up. :hairpull
 
I put 2 thin layers of 845 on my son-in-law's truck last year. The truck never gets into a garage, goes into the industrial center of town with all kinds of crap in the air and is washed at least twice weekly.

The 845 lasted 6-7 months in very rough conditions.
 
Dsoto87 said:
Where do you live man? In the belly of a volcano or something?
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I live in Upstate, NY. The particular car in question is a 06 Mazda. It sits outside year-round. While its outdoor companion, a minivan, can retain some protection for a reasonable period of time, the Mazda doesn't. Over the last 3 years, I've used every imaginable prep methodology with identically dismal results. I'm very sorry to say that many durability claims - some of which may be parroted - do not correlate positively with my actual experience.



Last winter, we did a 8-LSP durability test for another forum. A spare hood was polished and 2 layers of each LSP were applied 24 hours apart, including 476 and 1000P. The hood was left in my backyard to weather. None of the LSPs lasted longer than 3.5 months, start to finish, and they weren't even hit with the salt, sludge, etc found on the roads.
 
Blake said:
I put 2 thin layers of 845 on my son-in-law's truck last year. The truck never gets into a garage, goes into the industrial center of town with all kinds of crap in the air and is washed at least twice weekly.

The 845 lasted 6-7 months in very rough conditions.
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Perhaps the additives in the (at least) bi-weekly wash gave the paint the appearance of retaining 845's protection. Just tossing in the possibility. :)
 
I find the durability of 845 to be inconsistent. On some surfaces it lasts a long, long time, but on others it simply doesn't. This is with identical prep and when subjected to identical conditions. I can't explain it but it's so obvious I'd be an idiot to miss it. Weird :nixweiss



For *REAL* durability, IME you simply cannot beat six layers of KSG, washed with Griot's Car Wash (which doesn't seem to compromise it no matter how often you wash). Yeah, for me it does beat Collinite. But it takes six layers to do it. If you're only gonna do two or three layers of KSG you'd be better off with the Collinite. But hey, that's just in *my* conditions (which do include some nasty winters).



irv said:
Is that why you ..[use both 845 and 476S] too Accumulator, more shine?

Does it do anything else like make it look wetter? You got me thinking again:think:
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845 gives a "brighter" shine IMO, more like #16. But the difference fades pretty fast over the course of a few washes. You can always retop with 845 to get it back, and it won't cause the pseudo-hologram issues you can get when trying to layer 476S.



I do the 845 as a first coat as it seems to help minimize LSP-residue buildup along the edges of PPF, which I have a *lot* of on my YukonXL. Doing the 845 first, and then the 476S, makes it easier to avoid the white residue lines around the edges and I don't hve to risk messing up the edges trying to clean it off.



Also, it makes the 476S application/buff-off go a little easier.



Also. 845 seems to bond to PPF better than 476S does.



With 476S, IME the overall appearance is *ALL* a matter of prep. I thought the 476S was muting the flake of the Carbon Metallic paint, which had been very nicely polished, with PC/LC white/106FF for the final step (the job was done by a well-respected member here, long story why he did it instead of me). Being me, I wanted it even better so I repolished it, using a light burnishing with 1Z High Gloss for the final step. That made all the difference, the flake really popped. Sure surprised me as it had looked fine after the Menzerna. In this case, just "getting the swirls out" wasn't enough for it to look nice with 476S on it.
 
FJF said:
I don't know if that can be said so confidently. I'm expecting 915 to arrive later this week. It'll be used to top multiple layers of 105, and perhaps get topped by layers of itself and 476. The car lives outside and it hasn't been able to retain any LSP for more than a month. This includes multiple layers of 1000P, 845, 476, JW AJ, etc. FWIW, last application of 845 barely lasted 3 weeks. If this doesn't work, I give up. :hairpull
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Well FJF, I think you can attribute that to a classic case of overkill. Not trying to sound derogatory here by any means, but you have to understand that not all waxes were made to work with each other, which is why they're all made differently. Your sealant/waxes like Colly and FK are stand-alone waxes that will give you months of protection and shine without being accompanied by another wax.



The shine that your car has all boils down to the way it is prepped... end of story. The wax you apply to that finish is what preserves that finish. Mind you there are certain waxes that will add a bit more depth to the finish of almost any car (Sonax Premium Carnauba and Chemical Guys XXX to name a couple) and placebo effect aside I can really say that they do give a little something extra, but it's very temporary... 2 weeks max.



There's nothing wrong with layering waxes, but layering apples and apples just doesn't work (Colly-Colly, Swisswax-Swissvax, etc.). I tend to layer waxes sometimes also, so I may do a winter protection detail on a car and protect it with Collinite 885, then later add a layer of a nuba wax to give it the "bling" effect. This way I know that when the "bling" is gone there will still be a layer of protection.



Layering waxes too much is like spraying too much paint on a surface... you think you're making it shinier and glassier, but the extra layers you're adding just take away from the first layer, which was more than enough.
 
Apollo_Auto said:
Well FJF, I think you can attribute that to a classic case of overkill. Not trying to sound derogatory here by any means, but you have to understand that not all waxes were made to work with each other, which is why they're all made differently.
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I'm well aware of the constraints regarding the layering of products and I've done plenty of legwork to know what works and what doesn't. I listed some of the LSPs used on that car as a reference. They weren't used at the same time. Hell, how could they be, when none of them stuck to the paint long enough? That's the point you seem to be missing. There are cases that merit an approach which falls against the all-inclusive claim addressed earlier.



Your sealant/waxes like Colly and FK are stand-alone waxes that will give you months of protection and shine without being accompanied by another wax.
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That's simply isn't always true, as illustrated earlier. I'm not sure why you keep saying it, as if frequent repetition suddenly makes it more valid. While I can get decent durability out of, say, FK, on any of my other cars, the Mazda loses the protection within a month, usually less.



The shine that your car has all boils down to the way it is prepped... end of story. The wax you apply to that finish is what preserves that finish. Mind you there are certain waxes that will add a bit more depth to the finish of almost any car (Sonax Premium Carnauba and Chemical Guys XXX to name a couple) and placebo effect aside I can really say that they do give a little something extra, but it's very temporary... 2 weeks max.
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The quality of the finish isn't under discussion, durability is. I omitted the rest of the text due to a similar lack of relevance.
 
Accumulator said:
I find the durability of 845 to be inconsistent. On some surfaces it lasts a long, long time, but on others it simply doesn't. This is with identical prep and when subjected to identical conditions. I can't explain it but it's so obvious I'd be an idiot to miss it. Weird :nixweiss



For *REAL* durability, IME you simply cannot beat six layers of KSG, washed with Griot's Car Wash (which doesn't seem to compromise it no matter how often you wash). Yeah, for me it does beat Collinite. But it takes six layers to do it. If you're only gonna do two or three layers of KSG you'd be better off with the Collinite. But hey, that's just in *my* conditions (which do include some nasty winters).







845 gives a "brighter" shine IMO, more like #16. But the difference fades pretty fast over the course of a few washes. You can always retop with 845 to get it back, and it won't cause the pseudo-hologram issues you can get when trying to layer 476S.



I do the 845 as a first coat as it seems to help minimize LSP-residue buildup along the edges of PPF, which I have a *lot* of on my YukonXL. Doing the 845 first, and then the 476S, makes it easier to avoid the white residue lines around the edges and I don't hve to risk messing up the edges trying to clean it off.



Also, it makes the 476S application/buff-off go a little easier.



Also. 845 seems to bond to PPF better than 476S does.



With 476S, IME the overall appearance is *ALL* a matter of prep. I thought the 476S was muting the flake of the Carbon Metallic paint, which had been very nicely polished, with PC/LC white/106FF for the final step (the job was done by a well-respected member here, long story why he did it instead of me). Being me, I wanted it even better so I repolished it, using a light burnishing with 1Z High Gloss for the final step. That made all the difference, the flake really popped. Sure surprised me as it had looked fine after the Menzerna. In this case, just "getting the swirls out" wasn't enough for it to look nice with 476S on it.
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Thanks Accumulator, I think I will just try and get a couple coats on and help keep it shiney with some Final Inspection QD once in a while, or until I actually see the Collinite 845 loosing it's protection? Any issues doing that?



Like was posted earlier in the other thread, my truck is not a show truck and is my daily driver so I am not looking to get carried away here. Thanks again for all your help and explanations :2thumbs:
 
FJF- As I've probably advised before, try multiple layers of KSG or FK1000P. Multiple being six or so. Even Collinite 476S sometimes fails kinda fast on an outside 24/7 vehicle, though I don't know why the performance is so inconsistent. I've had it last months on one car, but only weeks on another- same prep, same care, parked in exactly the same spot at the same time of year :nixweiss





irv said:
.. think I will just try and get a couple coats on and help keep it shiney with some Final Inspection QD once in a while, or until I actually see the Collinite 845 loosing it's protection? Any issues doing that?
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Much as I like Final Inspection (must've used a quart of it on my current job), I do *NOT* like it for what you're considering. I'm much rather use a QD that leaves more stuff behind. I use something like that (often Griot's SpeedShine) after *every* wash. The SpeedShine works 100% no-problems-ever with Collinte.



Apollo_Auto said:
There's nothing wrong with layering waxes, but layering apples and apples just doesn't work (Colly-Colly, Swisswax-Swissvax, etc.)..
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Perhaps I'm off your point here, but with regard to *durability*, layering Collinite definitely works. Side-by-side testing that I've done showed a surprising difference between a single coat and more. No, I can't explain why it doesn't do the "like removes like" solvent-action thing.



Gotta be careful doing this with 476S though, pseudo-holograms can result, showing (IMO) that some degree of solvent-action *does* take place. Just not enough to cancel out the additional durability.
 
Accumulator said:


Perhaps I'm off your point here, but with regard to *durability*, layering Collinite definitely works. Side-by-side testing that I've done showed a surprising difference between a single coat and more. No, I can't explain why it doesn't do the "like removes like" solvent-action thing.



Gotta be careful doing this with 476S though, pseudo-holograms can result, showing (IMO) that some degree of solvent-action *does* take place. Just not enough to cancel out the additional durability.
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Hmm, maybe my English is getting worse than I thought... I just read that again and it didn't make much sense the 2nd time around :D! Sounded quite right after a couple of beers though :). What I meant to say is that no, there's nothing wrong with layering waxes but layering apples and apples really isn't worth it in my book. Really, let's say I layer 2 coats of 885, a wax that's going to give me a minimum of 4 months in the first place, but most likely more than 6. Now, I really doubt that you're gonna get another 6+ months out of that 2nd layer, on top of what the first layer gives. Not only that, but unless you only plan on waxing your car 1 or 2 times a year, durability in a wax is a false icon. If you're a member of this site and have more than 100 posts, chances are you won't go more than 3 months without waxing your car.



In FJF's case, he's probably got so many coats of wax on his car that the finish is gummy and everything on God's green earth sticks to it which makes it lose its effectiveness. AND his car's probably not prepped very well, so there's another thing that can cause loss of durability. Like I said, I layer waxes, but not to increase the durability... only to add a little something to a wax/sealant that I think lacks brilliance. IMO, if you have to use more than 2 layers of a wax for it to be durable, then the wax really isn't doing the job it's supposed to be doing.
 
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