Collinite 845

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Heya guys...



I'm getting ready for a pretty serious detail soon (switching to Klasse), and I'd like to get my paint in the best possible condition possible beforehand. I'm also trying to get first hand experience with a lot of these items before getting rid of my car and starting all over again on a new one...



I plan on washing with Dawn, using Mother's Clay, some sort of swirl mark remover, and then the Klasse twins (thanks to Tim at Tacscar for the samples!!!).



Anyway, the car is only a year old and the paint is in very good shape. The finish has been babied most of the time, but I have rock chips, some swirls, and acid rain marks (I live near an airport in a heavily polluted city, not much I can do). Paint is indigo blue, by the way.



I've already got some 3M Swirl Mark Remover, but after hearing that it's kinda useless and that Finesse It II isn't all that abrasive, I'm thinking about stepping up.



I'll be applying by hand. If I use Finesse It II, I'm assuming it will be more effective on the swirls than 3M SMR, but will it be able to do anything about the water marks? I doubt it will completely remove them, but every little bit helps.



Those acid rain marks are the single most annoying thing about my paint, and I'm going to do everything I can to avoid it on my new car (i.e. 2 coats of AIO the day I buy it, and anything else you guys recommend!).



Insight and tips are appreciated!



Thanks,



Gary
 
I had okay success using the SMR (39009) to get the swirl marks out of both my cars. Trick was to not let the stuff dry completely. I think Finesse-It is more aggressive (anyone?) and I believe in moving from least to more aggressive until you get what you're after (or, like me, chicken out).



That's on the swirl marks. It wasn't able to get out the acid rain etching on the Maxima. Neither was Scratch-X (but it did make the paint color deeper). They're only noticible at *just* the right angle, and look like water spots until you look at them closely. I'm not sure I'll be able to get them out at all.



I'm really interested if you have any luck, and any suggestions anyone has. Maybe Finesse-It with a PC?



re,

Andy
 
I have used Finesse It II with the PC and a yellow cutting pad. It worked well, but I had to make at least 3 applications to get most, 90% or so of the swirls out of the 99 corolla. The swirls were light to moderate, now the swirls left can only be seen in direct sunlight at certain angles. I followed up with Klasse AIO. I did not notice a haze or micro marring from the light abrasives in the product. It may differ from car to car, but a finer polish 3M SMR, or Pinnalce PCL will clean that up.



For water marks the Finesse It II will remove or improve the appearance of them.
 
I have a few on the roof and trunk lid on my black 528 and have tried everything including 2000 grit sandpaper!!! They are still there but not as noticeable. FI-II will probably not get rid of the spots by itself. Be VARY CAREFULL not to go through the clear coat:eek: Best bet is to try to hide them with a glaze like Zaino Z5 or Imperial Hand Glaze. Both are temporary solutions though.



If someone out there has a solution, I would love to hear it.
 
Meguiar's had a product called "Acid Rain Correction Cream" in their professional line. It was reddish pink in color and smelled like cinnamon. It did have more abrasive in it that the #2 fine cut cleaner, but it would do the job of reducing the etching from acid rain. The only drawback is that it could not be purchased in the 16 or 32 ounce size. It was sold by the gallon only. I don't know if they still make it or if it is available in smaller sizes.
 
You'r not going to remove one acid rain pit by hand. the only way is with a rotary buffer and a good compound or 1500 grit sandpaper , it all depends on how deep thay are. Next time you detail your car use some baking soda in your wash bucket , it will help nutrlize the acid in your cars paint.
 
Baking soda in the car wash??? This one is hard for me to swallow. The reason I say that is that most car wash shampoos or detergents are not pH neutral. The majority that I have encountered have a pH of at least 9 and some are even higher. This alone would be enough to neutralize any acid that might be on your paint. Additionally, baking soda has an abrasive quality to it. If you put it in your car wash, you are simply adding grit to your soap. It will not fully dissolve. In fact Baking soda is used as a substitute medium for sand blasting. Granted it is not the same stuff as in your kitchen, the chunks are a little larger, but it is still a milder form of sand blasting.

IN MY OPINION, I would not think it advisable to put baking soda in your soap. I thinkthat it will end up damaging your paint, or at least assure that there are more swirl marks to remove.
 
Yes baking soda has abrasives in it so does Finesse it and 1500 grit sand paper. No! a car wash will not neutralize acid that is in you'r paint. i have used this method for years. It is used befor a full detail to cars that have acid rain danage , they will be compounded or sanded after using the baking soda. I have done this for years sorry but your opinion is incorrect. ;)
 
Okay, I am a little confused about Collinite 845IW. I have seen it listed as a wax, and I have seen it listed as a sealant. Does anybody know what catagory this product falls under?:confused:
 
Collinite Liquid Insulator Wax #845 was developed for the electrical power companies to protect their high voltage lines from power failure, electrical fires, explosions and the weather. It also has no cleaning properties and for the best results use Collinite PreWax Cleaner before applying number845. Use their sapphire prewax cleaner for only single stage,enamel, lacquer paints. On clear coat paint one can use Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish. Hope this helps you out.
 
The bottle says its a wax, but it has many polymers and synthetics added to it to give it durability. The general public has no clue what a "sealant" is so they use "wax" because people can relate to it. I look at it like its a sealant. You can get it on Ebay for $14 and FREE shipping. Nice deal.
 
Cleaning Fool said:
The bottle says its a wax, but it has many polymers and synthetics added to it to give it durability. The general public has no clue what a "sealant" is so they use "wax" because people can relate to it. I look at it like its a sealant. You can get it on Ebay for $14 and FREE shipping. Nice deal.
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Exactly what is the composition of the polymers and synthetics? I understand Collinite states 845 has a "synthetic wax" component, but that could be anything, like polyethylene wax. That doesn't mean 845 is a cross-linking sealant like Zaino or Blackfire.
 
It's like trying to figure out how many licks it takes to get to the center of Tootsie Pop.

It is obviously not a carnauba based wax because then they wouldn't sell #915 which is advertised as having more carnauba blended into the formula.

Of course most waxes and sealants (even those that use carnauba) are VERY similar in formula and most rely on silicone polymers for the look, protection, and durability. A lot of times (even your most expensive waxes) have less ingredients and are chemically a lot simpler to make then sealants, although they may be physically harder to pour.
 
Things to remember

Most or all formulators of products will say this or that. What I am saying is, all a manufacturer has to do is add 1 flake of wax to a product to say the product contains "WAX". Not 1 person other than the manufacturer truly knows the exact amount of wax,silicone ect that the product sports when packaged. They often change the color and scent to add new and improved products to the lines. I am sure this practice is done more with the smaller product producers than with the larger brand names.

This being said they can use silicone or other chemicals to get the shine most are looking for. This is done more than most think in many products including wash soap.

Please correct me if I am wrong. There are tricks to every trade...:scared:
 
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