Collinite 845 over Zaino AIO?

[Accumulator]

ZAIO by machine can replace a finishing polish-I still prefer to top it with Z8

I remembered how you'd said that in the past, and I was very happy with how ZAIO worked after M205 (a "finishing polish" I'm not always 100% satisfied with) :xyxthumbs



One thing though, I had some weird residue issues from where I must not've gotten all the M205 oils off before the ZAIO. I could only see the problem clearly under the SunGun but it still bugged me. I ended up doing a sorta W-O-W-O with more ZAIO, working it long enough to break down the abrasives but not letting it haze, and that solved the problem.

Using ZAIO and then topping it is a waste of time. You'll get much better results with a dedicated finishing polish and then 845 or if you want to save time, just ZAIO is great on its own, and easily as durable as 845.

I agree if (make that *IF*) you're not layering the the 845. Layered 845 lasts longer than ZAIO for me, but yeah...if you're only doing one coat/application the ZAIO is fine by itself. Heh heh, I'd put some FK1000P on it though

 

[Dan]

I agree if (make that *IF*) you're not layering the the 845. Layered 845 lasts longer than ZAIO for me, but yeah...if you're only doing one coat/application the ZAIO is fine by itself. Heh heh, I'd put some FK1000P on it though

I'm not sure why I'm so bothered by people layering over an AIO, but I just think its a huge waste of time. AIO's are meant to do two steps in one and if you are going to do two steps, why not use the proper products, your result will be so much better. And for the record, I love AIO's, I don't think there is a better bang for the buck for a car that is parked outside. Regular use will keep the finish protected, at maximum shine and the surface super smooth, to the point that claying is only needed for the lower panels because of road tar.

 

[Accumulator]

Regular here know that Yakky and I get along just fine, but I wanted to say so anyhow so it doesn't look like we're :argue Just one of those discussions about how we see and do some stuff differently....

I'm not sure why I'm so bothered by people layering over an AIO, but I just think its a huge waste of time. ...

Heh heh, noting that you and I live in parallel universes where Klasse is concerned anyhow (I simply GOTTA try to get KSG to do that concealing you experienced)...I think we just go about this stuff differently were AIOs are concerned.



Let's see, I use three AIOs- KAIO, Autoglym SRP, ZAIO.



I use KAIO to clean and/or provide a base for KSG. I guess the big thing for me with KAIO is how I use it to prep trim for LSPing. I use SRP to do some very gentle polishing plus some concealing, and as a base for Souveran on the Jag (OK, that's just a weird thing I like to do ). I use ZAIO as a final polish and as a base for FK1000P.

AIO's are meant to do two steps in one and if you are going to do two steps, why not use the proper products, your result will be so much better.

So I guess I think that, at least for me, these AIOs *are* the proper products for exactly the results I'm after. Like that SRP on the Jag- it simply looks just the way I want it to after I use that stuff and top it with Souveran. Few things (maybe nothing) prep trim for me as well as KAIO. ZAIO? Well...I just wanted to try itafter everything wannafbody had posted about it.

And for the record, I love AIO's, I don't think there is a better bang for the buck..

I like 'em too, and I think of them as "modern cleaner-waxes". I started topping cleaner-waxes back in the 70s, so maybe I'm just set in my ways!

.. Regular use will keep the finish protected, at maximum shine and the surface super smooth, to the point that claying is only needed for the lower panels because of road tar

But really, the topping with KSG/FK1000P is to get away from that "regular use" approach. I basically want to do nothing but wash for months on end. Used by themselves, the AIOs simply need redone too often and don't provide much protection *IME* (note that I want to leave birdbombs/etc. go for ages with no etching, pretty tall order). When I spot-clay (at every wash) I don't want to have to redo anything.



I set aside some time to do a full, long (layers and layers) detail of a vehicle, driving something else in the meantime, and then I just use it. Nothing but washes until I eventually pull it off the road and do another big job (if I do that, I just sold the MPV and Yukon when they needed redone :chuckle: ).



Heh heh, I guess that whole "just wash it" is one of *my* weird quirks! But it's easy enough for me to set aside time to wash, not so easy to add any more time onto that. Simpler for to just have occasional "big projects" every now and then (and hopefully not even once a year).

 

[Dan]

Accumulator, with out starting a holy war, lol, I'd venture to say you would be better served if the products you used contained no protection step. However the market for dedicated swirl fillers is slim, in fact, I wouldn't even really consider SRP a true AIO, its a good cleaner with some filling ability. Same goes for KAIO, not sure why there is a bit of protection in it, but its there. IMO, there are real AIOs and there are AIO's that make the assumption that they will be topped. In my eyes KAIO is a paint cleaner and SRP is a combo cleaner and filler. The fact that you are topping ZAIO makes me cry a little inside, its just so good on its own!

 

[Accumulator]

Accumulator, with out starting a holy war, lol, I'd venture to say you would be better served if the products you used contained no protection step...

Oh, no holy war at all, I actually agree completely! The protection aspect (minimal with KAIO, significant with ZAIO) is pretty much pointless once I top the stuff and might (make that "MIGHT") even be detimental so the LSP's longevity, not that I've ever actually experienced that myself. So I wouldn't really miss it, it's just that these AIOs are working a bit better for me than my old paint cleaners like Pinnacle PCL and they play nice with my sealants (which just might be the #1 attraction for me).

However the market for dedicated swirl fillers is slim, in fact, I wouldn't even really consider SRP a true AIO, its a good cleaner with some filling ability.

Well, I think *I* would consider it an AIO since it has abrasives and lasts fairly long for me if I layer it. Gee, should I say "layer" in scare-quotes since "you can't layer an abrasive cleaner"? Anyhow, I can make two-three "applications" last pretty long if I do them right.



But yeah, the filling and the specific look of that product are why I simply love it on certain paints like the stuff on my Jag or my buddy's older Jag MKII. Just a specific-application thing. I was perfectly happy with the Pinnacle PCL until I tried SRP and noticed its "signature look" was just right on those older vehicles with metallic paint. If I had a straight black garage queen again (heaven forbid!) I might just use the Pinnacle topped with wax and be done with it.

Same goes for KAIO, not sure why there is a bit of protection in it, but its there. IMO, there are real AIOs and there are AIO's that make the assumption that they will be topped. In my eyes KAIO is a paint cleaner and SRP is a combo cleaner and filler.

Yeah, I bet that minimal stuff in KAIO is almost just a marketing gimmick and I actually despise the whole "all in one" thing in the sense that people really do think that KAIO/etc. will do more than it really delivers (at least more than it delivers for me).

The fact that you are topping ZAIO makes me cry a little inside, its just so good on its own!

Well, yeah, I understand. I really did need to armor-plate the beater-Tahoe with all that FK1000P, but the Crown Vic is actually doing just fine with only ZAIO and (OK, it's just a white beater, but anyhow...) it does look just swell. I don't think it sheds dirt/etc. as well as the FK1000P, but then I don't keep up with the washes on my beaters so that's probably a bigger deal for me than with more, uhm....Autopian people. But the ZAIO by itself might be good on that car since there's little point in layering on sealant just to redo it anyhow after I hit some traffic cones with it.



See, we didn't disagree all that much after all

 

[Dan]

See, we didn't disagree all that much after all

You are ever the perfectionist, I'm a bit more pragmatic, but at least we agree on many points!

 

[Accumulator]

Yakky- Heh heh, if I were *that* much of a perfectionist, I wouldn't mind reapplying stuff every now and then I sometimes think that, well...it's sorta like I've figured out how to best get away with neglecting the vehicles Well, not where the washes are concerned :grinno:

 

[Dan]

Yakky- Heh heh, if I were *that* much of a perfectionist, I wouldn't mind reapplying stuff every now and then I sometimes think that, well...it's sorta like I've figured out how to best get away with neglecting the vehicles Well, not where the washes are concerned :grinno:

I wonder how different things would be if you only had one car

 

[Accumulator]

I wonder how different things would be if you only had one car

Heh heh, oh man, short answer: *!!VERY!!*



Back before I, uhm...accumulated this crazy batch of rides I was doing something much like what you're talking about, though I did still top with something most of the time. I was also living with a lot more marring, not that anybody but me ever noticed or cared.



Yeah, no question about it, it was a completely different situation when I couldn't take something off the road for a while.