I'm looking for an "as simple as possible" treatment for a daily driver. I'm looking to do very minor correction (there are no swirls, but some very light surface scratches) and then coat it with something that looks good and is very durable. Is it okay to use Zaino AIO (which I already have) followed by Collinite 845 or is there a better combo to use?
Collinite 845 over Zaino AIO?
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wannafbody
wannafbody
I like ZAIO topped with Z8-doesn't get any easier than that.
nosbusa1700
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peterp said:
That will work fine, if that's what you want to use, and already have it. ZAIO by itself works very well. It last a long time as well.
imported_DieselMDX
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great idea imo that would last a long time
Thanks for the feedback. I have all the Zaino (CS, 8, 6, 3, 2) products and it's all I use for non-daily drivers, but I haven't been impressed with either the durability or the shine unless I'm doing a lot of layers, which I don't have time to do for a DD SUV (X5). I did clay, zaio, z3, CS on it once before and it just didn't seem to last very long. I didn't use the catalyst with the z3 so maybe that was part of the problem, but I'm thinking I might have better luck with the collinite on the DD.
I thought I was the only one on here that used Z3!
How do you like Z3?
Not using ZFX will cut durablity by 1/4 to 1/2 in my experiences with Z over the last 6 years.
I would use a lite polish (menz/3m/meg/opt) then 845 or ZAIO+ZFX then Z3+ZFX and call it a day. Then Z-CS a few days later and walk away.
How do you like Z3?
Not using ZFX will cut durablity by 1/4 to 1/2 in my experiences with Z over the last 6 years.
I would use a lite polish (menz/3m/meg/opt) then 845 or ZAIO+ZFX then Z3+ZFX and call it a day. Then Z-CS a few days later and walk away.
Accumulator
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I have ZAIO on the Crown Vic. When I decide to top it, I'll probably use either FK1000P or one of the Collinites.
jmsc said:
Sorry, in my earlier post I meant to say I used Z2 (rather than Z3) on the X5 when I did it previously. I do use Z3 for an older car with single stage paint, although I'm not really clear on the benefits of it over Z5, which seems to add depth. These days I tend to do a few layers of Z5 and then add Z3 on top, where in the early days I did one Z5 and several Z3's.
I didn't realize ZFX was needed for durability because when ZAIO came out one of the announced features was eliminating the need for ZFX, so I used it without ZFX when I wasn't doing more than 3 layers, so I guess that was a mistake. I didn't know you could use ZFX with ZAIO also -- is this commonly done?
jmsc said:
Thanks -- I may go the route with Menzerna rather than ZAIO as prep for 845 -- hadn't thought about that. I have IP, FP, and PO 106 FF -- I guess either FP or 106FF would be better since I only want to do one correction pass.
I'm thinking I will go 845, but I'm also thinking I would have better luck with Zaino if I ZFX'ed it. Have you found CS to be durable? (seems like a lot of people don't like it, though I've had good luck with it in multiple layers).
wannafbody
wannafbody
If you use ZAIO as a base you don't need ZFX
This is off the Zaino website under Z-AIO. Another reason that I use ZFX is that it dries all the polishes a heck of alot faster if used.
4. Can I use the ZFX additive with Z-AIO?
Yes. While ZFX is not required for use with Z-AIO, ZFX will heighten gloss & slickness, and extend the durability of Z-AIO. If you choose to use ZFX with Z-AIO, use the same ZFX instructions as you would with Z-2 PRO or Z-5 PRO.
Good Luck.
4. Can I use the ZFX additive with Z-AIO?
Yes. While ZFX is not required for use with Z-AIO, ZFX will heighten gloss & slickness, and extend the durability of Z-AIO. If you choose to use ZFX with Z-AIO, use the same ZFX instructions as you would with Z-2 PRO or Z-5 PRO.
Good Luck.
Dan
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Using ZAIO and then topping it is a waste of time. You'll get much better results with a dedicated finishing polish and then 845 or if you want to save time, just ZAIO is great on its own, and easily as durable as 845.
Thanks for all the feedback! I'll comment individually below.
This was my impression too, because the elimination of the need for ZFX was one of the key features when this was announced. I haven't had luck with ZAIO/Z2 durability on a daily driver when I didn't use ZFX, so I can't say I've seen it work great without ZFX.
I wish I had picked up on this point earlier, would always used ZFX regardless if I know it improved gloss. I have the ZFX and it goes a long way, it was just avoiding the hassle of mixing it (which is extremely minor compared to the work it takes to apply a layer, so that was a major mistake)
I'm thinking I will do this -- I have Menz IP, FP, and 106FF -- am I correct in assuming 106FF would be best if I'm doing only one correction pass?
wannafbody said:
This was my impression too, because the elimination of the need for ZFX was one of the key features when this was announced. I haven't had luck with ZAIO/Z2 durability on a daily driver when I didn't use ZFX, so I can't say I've seen it work great without ZFX.
jmsc said:
I wish I had picked up on this point earlier, would always used ZFX regardless if I know it improved gloss. I have the ZFX and it goes a long way, it was just avoiding the hassle of mixing it (which is extremely minor compared to the work it takes to apply a layer, so that was a major mistake)
yakky said:
I'm thinking I will do this -- I have Menz IP, FP, and 106FF -- am I correct in assuming 106FF would be best if I'm doing only one correction pass?
Dan
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peterp said:
Depends on the finish, but if its in great shape, 106FF, if not, FP would be fine too.
Accumulator
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I'd hate to trust Menzerna 106FF for correction as it's concealing can drive me nuts. I'd always correct with something else...not that I'm at all opposed to using 106FF for a final bunishing once the correction has been (truly) taken care of.
Accumulator said:
Thanks, that was the last piece of the puzzle. I will use Clay, IP then 106FF, and then two coats of 845. So much for my "simple" process, but I think it will be worth it. I've just ordered the 845, so will get started when it arrives.
Now that I know what I'm using, I have a couple final questions about applying it:
1. What is the best speed setting for applying the 845 with a PC 7424? (or is it better to apply by hand as Zaino recommends for there LSP products?) I will add a second coat of 845 per recommendations here, so wondering if by hand for the second layer is better for preserving the first layer.
2. The X5 has a lot of black plastic trim on the bottom, from reading other threads it sound like 845 can go right over the plastic if applied thinly. Is this correct and is it necessary to apply anything to the plastic (like 303) before the 845 to restore the "blackness"? (or will 845 help restore the blackness on its own)
Thanks again for all the help,
Peter
Accumulator
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peterp said:
I apply 845 via PC using a red Griot's waxing pad at speed 4-4.5. No issues doing it by machine, but I'm pretty sure I waste more product doing it that way.
I've never had any signs of solvent action/etc. from doing the second coat by machine, but then I wait a day or more before doing it too.
Yeah, 845 always works fine on trim for me and I'd expect it to be fine on yours too. I prep the trim with KAIO, *NOT* some dressing-type approach like 303 (which might mess with the wax). IF the trim really needs more, I like TOL/Hi-Temp's Heavy Cut..yeah, a paint polish (no it doesn't stain as long as I buff it off before it dries).
Not sure what I'd recommend if you don't have the KAIO. Maybe just a good cleaning with Dawn/etc. will suffice.
wannafbody
wannafbody
ZAIO by machine can replace a finishing polish-I still prefer to top it with Z8