I just got some colinite 476 and applied 2 coats to my dads black Acura CL. I had previously put Jeff Werkstatt AP and AG a few weeks ago. I put 2 coats of 476 over a period of about 2 days and everything looked good, I put 2 coats on my black Lexus GS430 also. It went on easily, I put a light coat using a PC and came off easily after wiping off with a microfiber rag. I noticed on my dads CL hood there was this oily, haze in certain parts that looked like hand print smudges after finishing the second coat. Then the next day when it was out in the sun and after my dad washed it there was all kinds of oily hazy all over the car that looked terrible. My dad tried getting it off but it would not come off, he scratched and swirled the whole car rubbing hard to get it off but it would not come off. It rained while my car was outside and when I walked past it I noticed all the horrible hazy, foggy, oily residue which looks absolutely terrible. The collinite seemed to come off easy and I did not let it set for long at all after applying it because I only did one section at a time. While my car was in the garage with the floresants on I did not see any residue but the car is covered in it now and it seems to have had a bad reaction to rain and sunlight. This residue simply does not come off no matter how hard you rub it with a microfiber which only puts a bunch of scratches and swirls in the finish when you do it. I am probrably going to have to heavily re polish both cars to get this ugly foggy hazy oily residue off as washing and wiping seem to have no effect. Has anyone else had this experience with colinite 476. I think I will be tossing the colinite in the trash if this is what it does.
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- Thread starter lexusgs
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Accumulator
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lexusgs- Sorry to hear about what happened. I've never had any problems like that with Collinite...but I'll try to offer some suggestions.
First, I'd get some better lighting so you can better see what's (really) going on. Fluorescents just don't let you see things all that well.
I wonder if the Collinite had any problems bonding to the AP/AG :think: I've never heard of that, but then I've never heard of this kind of problem either. Wonder if there was some other contamination on the car that interfered with the Collinite :nixweiss
I wonder if you applied too much Collinite and/or didn't let it dry well enough. I do the entire vehicle before buffing it off, and I wait to buff until it cleanly passes the "finger-swipe test".
I wonder if the second coat came too soon after the first one and somehow effected a solvent-action on it. I've never had problems applying a second coat after a day or so, but I usually do at least a "pseudo-shitshine" with some QD to help prevent such things from happening. I do try to be as nonagressive as possible when applying subsequent coats.
Huh...wish I could offer some better suggestions, this just isn't something I've ever had happen.
I'd sure be surprised if you have similar trouble after polishing (to remove the marring), which oughta provide a clean surface for the Collinite. FWIW, I generally do *some* kind of prep before applying it, even if that's just a light claying with Sonus green.
First, I'd get some better lighting so you can better see what's (really) going on. Fluorescents just don't let you see things all that well.
I wonder if the Collinite had any problems bonding to the AP/AG :think: I've never heard of that, but then I've never heard of this kind of problem either. Wonder if there was some other contamination on the car that interfered with the Collinite :nixweiss
I wonder if you applied too much Collinite and/or didn't let it dry well enough. I do the entire vehicle before buffing it off, and I wait to buff until it cleanly passes the "finger-swipe test".
I wonder if the second coat came too soon after the first one and somehow effected a solvent-action on it. I've never had problems applying a second coat after a day or so, but I usually do at least a "pseudo-shitshine" with some QD to help prevent such things from happening. I do try to be as nonagressive as possible when applying subsequent coats.
Huh...wish I could offer some better suggestions, this just isn't something I've ever had happen.
I'd sure be surprised if you have similar trouble after polishing (to remove the marring), which oughta provide a clean surface for the Collinite. FWIW, I generally do *some* kind of prep before applying it, even if that's just a light claying with Sonus green.
I had the same problem on the hood of my black honda using 845. Residue would not come off and looked like smeared oil stains. I went over it with mothers cleaner wax using the PC and that seemed to take it off. I assume that I either used too much or didn't shake it enough. This was on a freshly polished surface using IP/FP but no IA wipe down.
VTechFan02
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I've had similar problems twice on my '02 Civic with 845 and posted about it but didn't get any definitive answers. I applied it as thin as I could with a UDM and let it haze for at least 30 mins. It was either too much wax, or too hot/humid for it to dry enough. However, it seemed to resolve itself after a good wash and looked great after that with great durability.
-Frank
-Frank
VTechFan02
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I should had that this happened after only 1 coat...not two as you described...
-Frank
-Frank
Accumulator said:
I put a extremely thin coat on the first time and did one section at a time before wiping. The second time I put a little more in certain areas but generally another very thin coat, pretty much to the point where you could not really tell anything was going on aside from a slight haze. As for letting it dry I read that you should not let it dry too long or else it will be very difficult to remove. I only did one or maybe two sections at a time, like the hood and maybe a quarter panel before I wipped it off with a microfiber. If I did anything I put too little on as when I have seen others put carnuba on they put at least 3 times as much and have a visible layer. My Lexus looked very good after putting it on and when I drove it I did not see any residue. After it was outside and it rained is when I noticed all the hazy residue spots when walking past it. I was pretty busy so I did not get up close or try to get it off. I allowed over a day between applications. I did polish my hood and certain parts and then spot polished before putting Jeff Werkstatt on my vehicle before applying the colinite. My finish did not look as bad as my dads. I thoroughly wiped my car down after the colinite so I am puzzled why a bunch of areas suddenly hazed after it was exposed to rain and sunlight
My only theory was that a glass guy did come out and put a new front windsheild in my dads car, this was after the first coat of colinite 476. I saw a few handprints on some parts of the car but not too many. I washed the car with ONR before putting the second coat to get some dust/pollen/handprints off. I am not sure if an adhesive is used in this process that the fumes or maybe some on his hand could have somehow got on my dads Acura but the areas with the haze are kind of big for that and it would not explain why my Lexus has it as my car was in the garage when the guy was doing the windshield outside.
SuperBee364
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Scottwax said:
That would explain why I've had this same problem happen when applying a second coat of Vintage without washing first. Thanks, Scott!
Accumulator
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I'm finding all these Collinite problems 
Interesting though...
I guess I'd go with what ScottWax said about not reapplying until after the next wash. I layered it (most recently on the Blazer) on consecutive days without problems, but that's in a climate-controlled environment. And it's not like once coat of Collinite won't provide sufficient protection to get you to the next wash.
Also, much as I like to apply/remove LSPs via machine, maybe doing it by hand will allow for better control and lead to fewer problems.
lexusgs- I appreciate the additional info, dunno if it helps me figure out what happened any better though.
I even used Collinite after an ONR wash (again, on the Blazer) and it worked fine.
Maybe you *did* use too little 476S. I dunno if I'd ever suggest that with any other product, but with the way 476S is a pretty "hard carnauba" I can imagine issues from putting it on too thin in a too-aggressive manner. And it can be hard to tell if you're being "too aggressive" when applying via PC.
If you decide to reapply Collinite after any polishing, I'd be very interested to hear how things turn out. If you decide that you just don't want to risk having issues again, I won't argue with that..but with all the times I've used Collinite with no problems, I really do think that something weird happened and that you don't need to worry about it being a regular occurrence.
Interesting though...I guess I'd go with what ScottWax said about not reapplying until after the next wash. I layered it (most recently on the Blazer) on consecutive days without problems, but that's in a climate-controlled environment. And it's not like once coat of Collinite won't provide sufficient protection to get you to the next wash.
Also, much as I like to apply/remove LSPs via machine, maybe doing it by hand will allow for better control and lead to fewer problems.
lexusgs- I appreciate the additional info, dunno if it helps me figure out what happened any better though.
I even used Collinite after an ONR wash (again, on the Blazer) and it worked fine.
Maybe you *did* use too little 476S. I dunno if I'd ever suggest that with any other product, but with the way 476S is a pretty "hard carnauba" I can imagine issues from putting it on too thin in a too-aggressive manner. And it can be hard to tell if you're being "too aggressive" when applying via PC.
If you decide to reapply Collinite after any polishing, I'd be very interested to hear how things turn out. If you decide that you just don't want to risk having issues again, I won't argue with that..but with all the times I've used Collinite with no problems, I really do think that something weird happened and that you don't need to worry about it being a regular occurrence.
If you are going to throw it out, I'll pay for postage to mail to me.:grinno: I usually let the 476S sit overnight before buffing off with no problem. If there are problem areas, a good car wash seems to get rid of the residue. If this doesn't work, I would suggest you strip off with dawn and start all over. My problems always start with applying too much of 476S or 845IW. I apply three layers of 476S over three weeks and three car washes. It seems to be an effective way to get 6 months of protection on a car that sits outside 24/7.
wannafbody
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SuperBee364 said:
The reason is that many carnaubas/blends have some type of oil that works it way to the top of the wax in the heat and sun. Washing eliminates those oils.
I've had this problem before but couldn't reproduce it. A wash took care of everything.
I haven't had to deal with this since. My process with Collinite is spritzing a foam applicator with water, dipping it into the Collinite 476S, spritzing the surface of the paint with a fine mist and applying over it. I do the whole car, spritz and then buff off.
I mostly assume the water helps. The water on the pad helps in not picking up too much product; the water on the paint helps to spread it thinly; the water while buffing it off supposedly smooths the wax layer out more and makes more of it bond to the paint. I have no idea if any of this is actually true but it's been working for me. Wetting the pad itself was a new one to me that Accumulator suggested.
I haven't had to deal with this since. My process with Collinite is spritzing a foam applicator with water, dipping it into the Collinite 476S, spritzing the surface of the paint with a fine mist and applying over it. I do the whole car, spritz and then buff off.
I mostly assume the water helps. The water on the pad helps in not picking up too much product; the water on the paint helps to spread it thinly; the water while buffing it off supposedly smooths the wax layer out more and makes more of it bond to the paint. I have no idea if any of this is actually true but it's been working for me. Wetting the pad itself was a new one to me that Accumulator suggested.
Accumulator
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phamkl said:
Well, I can't really take credit for that as it says to do it on the can
Used to be pretty common to use a damp applicator when applying paste waxes, but I guess it's not as common these days. That's interesting, the additional water when applying and also when buffing off, it seems kinda similar to what I usually do, at least functionally-speaking.
The spritz before applying sounds about the same as my "pseudo spitshine" technique except that I use a high-wax-content QD. The spritz before buffing off sounds pretty similar to my habit of fogging the panels with my breath when I buff off LSPs.
Here is an update, I rewashed my car because birds love crapping all over a nice shiny car:hairpull and there was a lot of pollen on it. My Lexus did not have anywhere near as much hazy residue as my dads car had but the colinite 476 did not protect my finish from the bird crap. I figured with a layer of JW prime and gloss and 2 layers of colinite 476 my finish would be highly resistant to bird crap and water spots. Once I got the bird crap off and washed my car with ONR there were noticeable spots on my spoiler where you could see the residue and it would not come off no matter how hard I rubbed with a microfiber rag, I then tried claying it and it did not come off which is disappointing, there is a noticeable hazy residue where the birds crapped. I think the only way to remove it is a polish/paint cleaner with a PC. It is kind of weird because I did not wash my car between applications and the hazing was not as bad as my dads which I did wash between applications. When applying I did use a damp pad. I only had the PC set on 1 when I applied the colinite and simply spread it around, I was not aggressive in the application. I did not let it sit on the car a long time at all on each application but I did not take it off as soon as I put it on. It sat on maybe 5 minutes to 12 minutes at the most.
I put some Natty's blue on my moms black TL and it went on and came off alot easier then the colinite , love the bubble gum smell. I know it will not last anywhere near as long or protect as well as colinite but it is supposed to look better. One thing about the JW is that when putting the Gloss on after the Prime it is pretty hard to take off even if I allow a short time to dry and I put very little on, I usually have to spritz it with QD to get some stubborn spots off. I wish the AG was as easy to take of as the Natty's blue.
I put some Natty's blue on my moms black TL and it went on and came off alot easier then the colinite , love the bubble gum smell. I know it will not last anywhere near as long or protect as well as colinite but it is supposed to look better. One thing about the JW is that when putting the Gloss on after the Prime it is pretty hard to take off even if I allow a short time to dry and I put very little on, I usually have to spritz it with QD to get some stubborn spots off. I wish the AG was as easy to take of as the Natty's blue.