Coatings vs. Standard LSP'S discussion

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until my EXO v2 Failed at around 22 months it was a dream come true.

I did my best to document the life of the coaitngs for others to see. I'm doing the same with Gloss Coat, 22PLE Exo (on another car) and Viking Coat. Why? To share my experience. I am not a pro, I am a capable detailer and I know how to apply a coating and maintain my car. Although I am not a pro, my set up is a professional set up. CR Spotless, Double Bucket Dolly, Master blaster, Rupes 15, Rupes mini, GG6, GG3 and PC (with bruish for interiors). A few hundred MF towels of various levels and more pads and applicators than I care to count. A fully stocked arsenal of chemicals running the gamut of boutique to common detailing staples. I can handle most issue without placing an order.

I try a lot of stuff? Why because I gave up golf, tennis and Adult hard ball when I tore my rotator cuff and this took top slot as my hobby when I got back to it.

I have no axe to grind. No manufacturer that I wont promote or vilify depending on my personal experience with their product or service.

I'm pretty happy right now with what I am using but I am always searching for better. I'm looking for a product to put on my DD as the Viking coat is not what I was looking for personally. And yes, it looks phenominal but it requires more work to maintain and for that reason, I am out.


52split said:
I wish we could do a lineup of coated cars versus waxed/sealed cars. If both were done "properly" you wouldn't tell a difference in terms of gloss, shine, etc.

Now if one is doing "proper" wash techniques on both coated and waxed/sealed cars would the waxed/sealed ones provide that look and protection for 2 years in hot and cold climates? That is the burning question.
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52split said:
I wish we could do a lineup of coated cars versus waxed/sealed cars. If both were done "properly" you wouldn't tell a difference in terms of gloss, shine, etc.

Now if one is doing "proper" wash techniques on both coated and waxed/sealed cars would the waxed/sealed ones provide that look and protection for 2 years in hot and cold climates? That is the burning question.
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No, but I'd be willing to bet the ones that are waxed and sealed more often would look better at the end of those 2 years
 
JSFM35X said:
until my EXO v2 Failed at around 22 months it was a dream come true.

I did my best to document the life of the coaitngs for others to see. I'm doing the same with Gloss Coat, 22PLE Exo (on another car) and Viking Coat. Why? To share my experience. I am not a pro, I am a capable detailer and I know how to apply a coating and maintain my car. Although I am not a pro, my set up is a professional set up. CR Spotless, Double Bucket Dolly, Master blaster, Rupes 15, Rupes mini, GG6, GG3 and PC (with bruish for interiors). A few hundred MF towels of various levels and more pads and applicators than I care to count. A fully stocked arsenal of chemicals running the gamut of boutique to common detailing staples. I can handle most issue without placing an order.

I try a lot of stuff? Why because I gave up golf, tennis and Adult hard ball when I tore my rotator cuff and this took top slot as my hobby when I got back to it.

I have no axe to grind. No manufacturer that I wont promote or vilify depending on my personal experience with their product or service.

I'm pretty happy right now with what I am using but I am always searching for better. I'm looking for a product to put on my DD as the Viking coat is not what I was looking for personally. And yes, it looks phenominal but it requires more work to maintain and for that reason, I am out.
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Don't you know if you're not a pro you're opinion doesn't matter here?
 
LOL-you cannot argue with results. That is why I post pictures and processes. I thinhk if I was a pro I would make zero profit as it takes me too ling to do my cars. Mostly because I am an endless perfectionist and I am not doing this everyday so I move slowly and methodically.


boxingfan30 said:
Don't you know if you're not a pro you're opinion doesn't matter here?
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JSFM35X said:
Knowing what I know now about coatings from having used them, all I can say is that I will never wax again on a daily driver. On a garage queen most likely I would coat that as well but perhaps with a different product.

They look amazing to me and they are much less work to maintain that just polished, crystal clear finish look.
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This is where I stand as well. I've got a batch of Gloss Coat sitting in my cabinet that's going to be going on my wife's Expedition soon here. It's my wife's daily driver and our family hauler, so it gets driven a lot and it's too damn big to be regularly waxing/sealing. I had HD Nitro Seal (kind of in between a sealant and coating) on my Ram and it made a noticeable difference in the ease of cleaning and after a year it was still going strong and I couldn't find hardly any defects at all in the paint. That experience sold me on the idea of coatings

My GTO I haven't decided if I'm going to mess around with trying different waxes/sealants or apply a coating. I enjoy waxing a fun car like that, but quite frankly I just don't have the time to regularly keep up on it like i'd like to.
 
If your GTO is going to be a garage queen. Low miles and low exposure to the elements. Viking coat is amazing.

IF you want a hard candy look and durability. The EXO is proven in my mind and I am proving out the 22PLE as we speak. The Gloss Coat is on for 3-4 months and doing great.

House of Wax said:
This is where I stand as well. I've got a batch of Gloss Coat sitting in my cabinet that's going to be going on my wife's Expedition soon here. It's my wife's daily driver and our family hauler, so it gets driven a lot and it's too damn big to be regularly waxing/sealing. I had HD Nitro Seal (kind of in between a sealant and coating) on my Ram and it made a noticeable difference in the ease of cleaning and after a year it was still going strong and I couldn't find hardly any defects at all in the paint. That experience sold me on the idea of coatings

My GTO I haven't decided if I'm going to mess around with trying different waxes/sealants or apply a coating. I enjoy waxing a fun car like that, but quite frankly I just don't have the time to regularly keep up on it like i'd like to.
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It's not a garage queen for now. It gets driven every day to work and will be driven through this winter (will most likely get a winter beater before next winter). I've got those Four Star products to try out, so I think the tentative plan will be to try out their exterior protection on it now and then before winter hits put a coating on.
 
Many have shown that a PROPERLY kept coated car will look just as good when it was coated and just washed correctly for two years compared to one waxed every 3-6 months and washed correctly for two years as well. It's been done. Waxing/Sealing regularly is increasing the chances of marring. Simple fact. The more often you touch your paint with a towel/media of any kind the higher chances of marring.
 
JSFM35X said:
LOL-you cannot argue with results. That is why I post pictures and processes. I thinhk if I was a pro I would make zero profit as it takes me too ling to do my cars. Mostly because I am an endless perfectionist and I am not doing this everyday so I move slowly and methodically.
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I remember someone told me when doing something you love turns into feeling more like work, its time to do something else.
 
Reputable PROFESSIONAL detailers like Scottwax, Thomas Dekany, Garry Dean and others will confirm this. Scottwax personally has had Optimum Coatings on his Honda for years. And I've seen that car first hand on several occasions.
 
52split said:
Many have shown that a PROPERLY kept coated car will look just as good when it was coated and just washed correctly for two years compared to one waxed every 3-6 months and washed correctly for two years as well. It's been done. Waxing/Sealing regularly is increasing the chances of marring. Simple fact. The more often you touch your paint with a towel/media of any kind the higher chances of marring.
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For me its just not worth the spotting, the paint would look terrible inside of 4 months.
 
That is why I don't do this for a living. Perhaps I was not clear.

so here is the clarification.

I do not enjoy scrubbing my exhaust tips, I do not enjoy 2 or 3 step polishing my paint, I do not enjoy removing tar spots or vacuuming my interior. I do not enjoy applying any LSP.

But I like washing a well coated car because its easy. I also enjoy being able to handle all the junk that happens to a cars finish. Bird bombs, tar, scuffs, scrapes, chips and so on.


I LOVE a super clean, shining like a diamond finish. And that is what I came here to learn to do, and in my own mind I have achieved that.

And truth be told it would be expensive a all hell for me to have someone else care for my cars to the level I do. So I enjoy saving the $ too.


boxingfan30 said:
I remember someone told me when doing something you love turns into feeling more like work, its time to do something else.
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boxingfan30 said:
For me its just not worth the spotting, the paint would look terrible inside of 4 months.
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I would disagree. With proper maintenance, the paint would look great outside of 4 months.

Picture taken close to 12 months after Optimum Gloss Coat first applied.

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I even have a thread on removing water spots with a rinseless wash here: Rinseless Wash Rayview: ONR v.s. Dodo Juice Low on EAU

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House of Wax said:
It's not a garage queen for now. It gets driven every day to work and will be driven through this winter (will most likely get a winter beater before next winter). I've got those Four Star products to try out, so I think the tentative plan will be to try out their exterior protection on it now and then before winter hits put a coating on.
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Based on my experiences with Four Star's UPP, I'd sure get that coating on there before winter hits ;)
 
For my own vehicles I currently prefer coatings. I simply don't have the time I used to for regular cleaning, polishing, and waxing, so coatings are the ticket for me. When washed properly AND regularly, they will stay looking good for a long time and I feel they protect better against bugs and bird bombs. Now with that being said they are not for everyone and if not washed regularly things WILL start bonding to them and those contaminants will effect beading characteristics. Fortunately these can usually be cleaned up with a chemical decon, but I've also seen vehicles so neglected that I was unable to restore the beading even after chemical decon and claying...I've seen this with test panels as well. I've had several coated cars come back in past the 2yr mark that still looked very good, but I don't think they looked as good as they day they were done. I think a lot of this depends on the environment they're subject to, if the car is garaged, and I think the chemicals in a lot of the touch-less washes have some sort of effect on them too. Coatings may help resist marring a "little" than waxes/sealants, but by no means are they a replacement for proper and regular washing and they do still scratch/marr very easily.

I think it was Mike Phillips that said regular maintenance is best and I would agree. I regularly wax/polished car will likely look better than a car that was coated years ago. However, some people don't have the time to do this, and some simply have no interest in doing it. There is no right or wrong answer, it's simply what is best for you.


Just my $.02 without cramming products recommendations down your throat.
 
RaskyR1 said:
Just my $.02 without cramming products recommendations down your throat.
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LOL!!!!

Not one person would have access to OCP, in this thread, who do you mean? This thread is about Coatings vs Standard LSPs. More power to all the guys who are willing to redo their cars often, who don't mind bird poop etching into the clear. So which is better? I've yet to see a pro who instals any of the pro coatings and prefers to use a wax instead on their own rides.
 
Thomas Dekany said:
LOL!!!!

Not one person would have access to OCP, in this thread, who do you mean? This thread is about Coatings vs Standard LSPs. More power to all the guys who are willing to redo their cars often, who don't mind bird poop etching into the clear. So which is better? I've yet to see a pro who instals any of the pro coatings and prefers to use a wax instead on their own rides.
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What you said, and the reality differ………….. No Pro coating guy would admit in PUBLIC that he would use something other than the product he utilizes to pay his bills.

How about Thomas just for once let someone actually prefer to use something other than a product you use, without 22 pages of attacks and blatant product fanboy stuff. As for access to OCP + you assume too much as to who actually has it or not.

Mods…………..this post was succinct and pithy, no attacks were implied or written in this post. If Thomas keeps it going(100% certainty probably) have him ride some pine in the timeout dugout for a specified time as this thread has just become absurd.
 
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