Coatings vs. Standard LSP'S discussion
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52split
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That's what is so good about having options. Competition makes products get better. I have had Scottwax detail my car when I first got it and it came out great. He did not cost it, used a wax/sealant combo. That was 3 years ago. I just detailed it with Gloss Coat and it looks as good if not better. Not saying I did a better polish than Scott, because I'm sure I didn't. But Gloss Coat looks amazing. You would not tell the difference. But the difference is...longevity. The coating will last longer.
Stokdgs
dansautodetailing.com
boxingfan30 ----
Sorry, but "nothing sticks to OC" is NOT a false statement..
When I had 5 vehicles all wearing the old Opti-Guard, Wash Day in rainy WA., was the easiest it had ever been in years..
Very little to nothing stuck to the paintwork..
I even drove my personal Black Jeep 6K miles round trip and when I did the first 3K and stopped, my Black Jeep was not even dirty enough to wash it..
And driving through 5 mountain passes between Western WA through Oregon, and into the mountains at the border of Oregon and California, and all the way to San Antonio, Texas, I hit a lot of stuff..
I was not long ago in a very good, well respected Professional Detail company in Texas - the land of really bad weather...
These good men have been at the craft collectively perhaps longer than you have been on this earth..
They had at their disposal many Coatings for sale, and I saw a certain brand coating in the box from the UK there, gathering much dust...
I asked the Owners - "what's up with this coating box - is something wrong with it?
They said - "no nothing wrong with it, we just cant sell it.. No one wants it... They want the the other one...Opti-Coat...
We had all just met, they had not seen my Black Jeep and we had not discussed coatings, etc., at all..
And another thing - Thomas Dekany does NOT, repeat, does NOT need to pray for Wisdom from the Optimum gods, as he has GAINED much Wisdom from hard work and then more hard work to be at the level he is..
Have you ever taken a look at even some of the vehicles he has done ??? There can be no argument when you see his work...
And just so you know, I personally have never met Thomas Dekany, or talked to him on the phone or even PM'd him ever...
His work speaks volumes and its out there for anyone to see and critique...
Here is a thought, some of us waited years before we ever tried Optimum Coatings for a reason - to see if they had the legs to go long and do what they said it would...
Then we carefully experimented with it for awhile before we ever offered it to our Clients... Keyword - experiment - learn how best to use it, how best to apply it, how it reacts to different temps, humidity, getting a place as free from outside air to apply it so that nothing falls on it, etc...
We do not ride the wagon that has a new coating on it every year, ok ?
So, we may just may know a little about what we are talking about too...
Dan F
Sorry, but "nothing sticks to OC" is NOT a false statement..
When I had 5 vehicles all wearing the old Opti-Guard, Wash Day in rainy WA., was the easiest it had ever been in years..
Very little to nothing stuck to the paintwork..
I even drove my personal Black Jeep 6K miles round trip and when I did the first 3K and stopped, my Black Jeep was not even dirty enough to wash it..
And driving through 5 mountain passes between Western WA through Oregon, and into the mountains at the border of Oregon and California, and all the way to San Antonio, Texas, I hit a lot of stuff..
I was not long ago in a very good, well respected Professional Detail company in Texas - the land of really bad weather...
These good men have been at the craft collectively perhaps longer than you have been on this earth..
They had at their disposal many Coatings for sale, and I saw a certain brand coating in the box from the UK there, gathering much dust...
I asked the Owners - "what's up with this coating box - is something wrong with it?
They said - "no nothing wrong with it, we just cant sell it.. No one wants it... They want the the other one...Opti-Coat...
We had all just met, they had not seen my Black Jeep and we had not discussed coatings, etc., at all..
And another thing - Thomas Dekany does NOT, repeat, does NOT need to pray for Wisdom from the Optimum gods, as he has GAINED much Wisdom from hard work and then more hard work to be at the level he is..
Have you ever taken a look at even some of the vehicles he has done ??? There can be no argument when you see his work...
And just so you know, I personally have never met Thomas Dekany, or talked to him on the phone or even PM'd him ever...
His work speaks volumes and its out there for anyone to see and critique...
Here is a thought, some of us waited years before we ever tried Optimum Coatings for a reason - to see if they had the legs to go long and do what they said it would...
Then we carefully experimented with it for awhile before we ever offered it to our Clients... Keyword - experiment - learn how best to use it, how best to apply it, how it reacts to different temps, humidity, getting a place as free from outside air to apply it so that nothing falls on it, etc...
We do not ride the wagon that has a new coating on it every year, ok ?
So, we may just may know a little about what we are talking about too...
Dan F
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boxingfan30
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boxingfan30 ----
Sorry, but "nothing sticks to OC" is NOT a false statement..
When I had 5 vehicles all wearing the old Opti-Guard, Wash Day in rainy WA., was the easiest it had ever been in years..
Very little to nothing stuck to the paintwork..
I even drove my personal Black Jeep 6K miles round trip and when I did the first 3K and stopped, my Black Jeep was not even dirty enough to wash it..
And driving through 5 mountain passes between Western WA through Oregon, and into the mountains at the border of Oregon and California, and all the way to San Antonio, Texas, I hit a lot of stuff..
I was not long ago in a very good, well respected Professional Detail company in Texas - the land of really bad weather...
These good men have been at the craft collectively perhaps longer than you have been on this earth..
They had at their disposal many Coatings for sale, and I saw a certain brand coating in the box from the UK there, gathering much dust...
I asked the Owners - "what's up with this coating box - is something wrong with it?
They said - "no nothing wrong with it, we just cant sell it.. No one wants it... They want the the other one...Opti-Coat...
We had all just met, they had not seen my Black Jeep and we had not discussed coatings, etc., at all..
And another thing - Thomas Dekany does NOT, repeat, does NOT need to pray for Wisdom from the Optimum gods, as he has GAINED much Wisdom from hard work and then more hard work to be at the level he is..
Have you ever taken a look at even some of the vehicles he has done ??? There can be no argument once you see his work...
And just so you know, I personally have never met Thomas Dekany, or talked to him on the phone or even PM'd him ever...
His work speaks volumes and its out there for anyone to see and critique...
Here is a thought, some of us waited years before we ever tried Optimum Coatings for a reason - to see if they had the legs to go long and do what they said it would...
Then we carefully experimented with it for awhile before we ever offered it to our Clients... Keyword - experiment - learn how best to use it, how best to apply it, how it reacts to different temps, humidity, getting a place as free from outside air to apply it so that nothing falls on it, etc...
We do not ride the wagon that has a new coating on it every year, ok ?
So, we may just may know a little about what we are talking about too...
Dan F
Dan, it is indeed a false statement, but what I say and what you say is hearsay and is not proof by any means. I appreciate you sticking up for Thomas, but I never attacked his work, the constant praise of OCP gets old and is over the top, your work and products should speak for themselves, shouldn't need to tell people they aren't a professional, or act like you have access to some huge government secret because you can get some "pro" products.
GearHead_1
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So.. is there something I should know about New Finish? Now tell me they've come out with the Pro Version and I can't get it.
Junebug
JAFO
They say it's the once a year car polish, must be true if they say it on TV.
Stokdgs
dansautodetailing.com
Ok, so when I look at Client's vehicles and of course my own, and see how much LESS dirt is on there that before the Coating, had much more dirt, all things being equal, then I am seeing things that are not true ???
And when I can see that I dont have to wash my vehicles or their vehicles as much, because they stay cleaner, all things being equal, I am again seeing things???
And when I and they see less defects in the paintwork after a year or years, all things being equal, are we all imagining this ???
Seriously???
Surely, nothing has yet to be invented that is the true Invisible Shield - but for what I have seen in my garage Lab, and out in the real world, this product does work for what they said it does, again,all things being equal.. And it works for a long time...
If anyone found something that really worked great after years of working with it and of course factoring in nothing is ever "perfect", wouldnt he want to share this with others so that they can benefit from it???
None of us work for Optimum, ok ? None of us have a personal relationship with anyone at Optimum..
None of us have any "access to some huge government secret" - but what we do have is years, decades of hard work and experience in the Shop and at home in the garage..
20 cars ?? Yawn...
I think the most I have done in 1 year working alone is 75.. Ok, I am out of here..
Good Luck -
Dan F
boxingfan30
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Ok, so when I look at Client's vehicles and of course my own, and see how much LESS dirt is on there that before the Coating, had much more dirt, all things being equal, then I am seeing things that are not true ???
And when I can see that I dont have to wash my vehicles or their vehicles as much, because they stay cleaner, all things being equal, I am again seeing things???
And when I and they see less defects in the paintwork after a year or years, all things being equal, are we all imagining this ???
Seriously???
Surely, nothing has yet to be invented that is the true Invisible Shield - but for what I have seen in my garage Lab, and out in the real world, this product does work for what they said it does, again,all things being equal.. And it works for a long time...
If anyone found something that really worked great after years of working with it and of course factoring in nothing is ever "perfect", wouldnt he want to share this with others so that they can benefit from it???
None of us work for Optimum, ok ? None of us have a personal relationship with anyone at Optimum..
None of us have any "access to some huge government secret" - but what we do have is years, decades of hard work and experience in the Shop and at home in the garage..
20 cars ?? Yawn...
Ok, I am out of here..
Good Luck -
Dan F
Lol, OK Dan...I'm glad you feel so superior, but here again, you're going by your experiences and I'm going by mine.
BTW, I'm very proud of your 75 cars...congrats.
52split
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I can respect those that stick with sealants like DG/Zaino. No issues whatsoever. But whoever can't respect or at least come to understand someone else's opinion and/or explanation....two words...
boxingfan30
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I can respect those that stick with sealants like DG/Zaino. No issues whatsoever. But whoever can't respect or at least come to understand someone else's opinion and/or explanation....two words...
So go to another thread....bye
RDKC
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Boxingfan30, I'm sure you'll hit the ignore button or come up with some ludicrous accusation, assumption, or defensive speech for an imagined attack but I am going to say it anyway.
I have not read every single post in this thread, nor will I. I started to read it - it was somewhat entertaining for a while after all - and then it got derailed. It got very derailed.
Order of this thread:
1. Mostly legitimate discussion about wax/sealants versus coatings.
2. People disagree with your opinion.
3. You get defensive because somebody does not agree with your opinion and/or you interpret what they say as arrogant, condescending, etc.
4. Repeat steps 1-3.
You started a thread to incite a discussion/debate on products and that is what you got. If you wanted everybody to agree with you than you probably should have titled your thread differently and also reworded your post/s.
All the questions that Dekany asked had a reason. He was not attempting to attack you at all. Read post #203 and he explains why.
A professional is "a person who belongs to one of the professions, especially one of the learned professions." (Professional | Define Professional at Dictionary.com)
What Dekany, Stokdgs, yourself, and anyone else here is saying about their personal experience is not hearsay. Hearsay is "unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge."[FONT=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] ([/FONT]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hearsay?s=t) In other words, "I heard from John Doe that Opti-Coat is slick as snot!" That's hearsay. "I used Opti-Coat on my car and that stuff is amazing! Super slick!" Is not hearsay. The latter quotation would be firsthand, meaning it is from one's own experience and/or knowledge. (Firsthand)
So, please just relax and realize that just because somebody disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you. There are over 7 billion people on this planet and every single one of us is entitled to our own opinion. My family thinks that my detailing hobby (or obsession as they call it) is completely stupid. Do I take it as them attacking me? No. Do I really care? No. I really don't care what they say about squat but that's an entirely different tale. I love dubstep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rGiKv1xkE0) and I get told all the time it's horrible noise. That's cool, you listen to your gospel and I'll listen to my dubstep and the problem is solved. Point is, you are offended that people don't agree with you.
That is a poor attempt at a humorous insult. Don't complain that one person "attacked" you when you do the same, sir. It's slightly hypocritical, is it not? Also, what scottwax told you, that would be hearsay.
You have to remember that, with any coating different people will have different experiences. There are too many variables for the product to work the exact same way every time for every person. You have variances in the application, the ambient air temperature, the surface temperature, the humidity, the amount and source of light, the radiant heat, the condition of the surface and the surface itself, the air contaminates, altitude (which effects atmospheric pressure and air pressure), and so on.
Again, just relax and partake in the conversation you started. Debating product superiority is all fine and dandy, arguing product superiority/inferiority gets us nowhere.
Now, if you will excuse me, I must go pray for wisdom from the Meguiar's gods.
I have not read every single post in this thread, nor will I. I started to read it - it was somewhat entertaining for a while after all - and then it got derailed. It got very derailed.
Order of this thread:
1. Mostly legitimate discussion about wax/sealants versus coatings.
2. People disagree with your opinion.
3. You get defensive because somebody does not agree with your opinion and/or you interpret what they say as arrogant, condescending, etc.
4. Repeat steps 1-3.
You started a thread to incite a discussion/debate on products and that is what you got. If you wanted everybody to agree with you than you probably should have titled your thread differently and also reworded your post/s.
All the questions that Dekany asked had a reason. He was not attempting to attack you at all. Read post #203 and he explains why.
A professional is "a person who belongs to one of the professions, especially one of the learned professions." (Professional | Define Professional at Dictionary.com)
What Dekany, Stokdgs, yourself, and anyone else here is saying about their personal experience is not hearsay. Hearsay is "unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge."[FONT=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] ([/FONT]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hearsay?s=t) In other words, "I heard from John Doe that Opti-Coat is slick as snot!" That's hearsay. "I used Opti-Coat on my car and that stuff is amazing! Super slick!" Is not hearsay. The latter quotation would be firsthand, meaning it is from one's own experience and/or knowledge. (Firsthand)
So, please just relax and realize that just because somebody disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you. There are over 7 billion people on this planet and every single one of us is entitled to our own opinion. My family thinks that my detailing hobby (or obsession as they call it) is completely stupid. Do I take it as them attacking me? No. Do I really care? No. I really don't care what they say about squat but that's an entirely different tale. I love dubstep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rGiKv1xkE0) and I get told all the time it's horrible noise. That's cool, you listen to your gospel and I'll listen to my dubstep and the problem is solved. Point is, you are offended that people don't agree with you.
boxingfan30 said:
That is a poor attempt at a humorous insult. Don't complain that one person "attacked" you when you do the same, sir. It's slightly hypocritical, is it not? Also, what scottwax told you, that would be hearsay.
You have to remember that, with any coating different people will have different experiences. There are too many variables for the product to work the exact same way every time for every person. You have variances in the application, the ambient air temperature, the surface temperature, the humidity, the amount and source of light, the radiant heat, the condition of the surface and the surface itself, the air contaminates, altitude (which effects atmospheric pressure and air pressure), and so on.
Again, just relax and partake in the conversation you started. Debating product superiority is all fine and dandy, arguing product superiority/inferiority gets us nowhere.
Now, if you will excuse me, I must go pray for wisdom from the Meguiar's gods.
You may have an environmental issue causing some of your issues. Either the water or the rain (acid rain) causing the spots or break down of coatings. To me I've found them to be a really good looking, easy to maintain gift from the detail gods.
I have not have anything stick to opti coat 2.0 or gloss coat. Everything washes away with a mild shampoo. Bugs, road grime and general dirt as well as bird bombs. Tar comes off easy. I'm sure something would stick, I have just not encountered it. It's a really good looking and tough coating. I did not like the slickness or beading with 2.0 but the gloss coat has come a long way in correcting that. It's not where Exo is, with slickness or beading but it is closer. The Optimum coatings that I've used the most durable mar resistant coating of the I have tried.
I should also tell you that I don't work for any detail manufacturer of coatings. My findings are honest opinions that I share to help you all determine if they will be a good fit for you on your cars or for your customer era if your a pro.
Weather I pay or get it free in a contest, my thoughts shared are 100% honest opinions.
I have not have anything stick to opti coat 2.0 or gloss coat. Everything washes away with a mild shampoo. Bugs, road grime and general dirt as well as bird bombs. Tar comes off easy. I'm sure something would stick, I have just not encountered it. It's a really good looking and tough coating. I did not like the slickness or beading with 2.0 but the gloss coat has come a long way in correcting that. It's not where Exo is, with slickness or beading but it is closer. The Optimum coatings that I've used the most durable mar resistant coating of the I have tried.
I should also tell you that I don't work for any detail manufacturer of coatings. My findings are honest opinions that I share to help you all determine if they will be a good fit for you on your cars or for your customer era if your a pro.
Weather I pay or get it free in a contest, my thoughts shared are 100% honest opinions.
Migue
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Thomas Dekany
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Thank you Dan! We are very happy with the car - True Oregonian car.
I invite anyone, especially those naysayers to stop by to look at this car after 13 months. ZERO CONTAMINANTS, NO SWIRLS. NO WATER SPOTS
Thomas Dekany
New member
I am happy for you, but that doesn't mean that OPTI COAT isn't superior to most LSPs.
silverfox
New member
I'm happy for me too. Too bad the subject went off course. There is no arguing that some coatings may offer better protection than other LSPs. However, the key word is "may" given all the prep work coatings require and all the other variables that must be correct as well..temp, humidity, polish, type of paint, user experience, etc...or the results will not be any better and maybe worse than non coated paint. For what coatings cost, and given the variables that must be spot on to get a good result, they are certainly not the end all and be all. Have a wonderful day!
KBsToy
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PA DETAILER
DETAILED TODAY?
Bunky
Detailing Gnosis
It is a marketing saying that really means little. I could use a once a year car wash too but not likely the best way to protect your paint.
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