What is everyones thoughts on cleaner waxes? Is the correction they provide minimum enough to be able to use them as a primary wax each time a vehicle is waxed, or is that going to cause too much wear on the clearcoat overtime? I know ive used it in the past on my daily driver and it kept me from doing polishing for a while. thoughts?
cleaner waxes?
- Thread starter mnewxcv
- Start date
Dan
Well-known member
I think you'll find most here abhor cleaner waxes, mainly because they stain trim. Only a few don't, most OTC ones stain really bad. The polishing ability of most (modern versions) is very minimal, perhaps on the level of a very gentle finishing polish. You can use them all you want without worry of wearing out your paint, you'll sooner get general clearcoat failure before you polish through. If using a machine, the pad will likely be more abrasive than the cleaner wax.
That said, many here do like AIOs, which amp up the polishing power. They are more like cleaner waxes on steroids. And even with those, even quarterly use shouldn't be an issue.
That said, many here do like AIOs, which amp up the polishing power. They are more like cleaner waxes on steroids. And even with those, even quarterly use shouldn't be an issue.
togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
Chemical paint cleaners remove oxidation and colour staining (they contains Kaolinite, a clay mineral (Kaolin) and mild a solvent). You can use traditional polishing techniques (small working sections, higher speed, increased pressure) to remove extremely fine swirl marks, it is designed more as a paint cleanser then a traditional polish; so apply using a finishing pad, slow speed and clean one panel at a time.
Accumulator
Well-known member
I've known people who've kept their vehicles very nice by non-Autopian standards using cleaner waxes. No way *I* would be satisfied with the results, but I'm me.
Cleaner wax topped with straight wax *was* an approach I used back in the days of single stage lacquer, worked pretty well, at least in-between "real" details.
But yeah...just use an AIO instead. Same idea, better choice. Want abrasion- use ZAIO or Speed. Want nonabrasive- use KAIO.
Cleaner wax topped with straight wax *was* an approach I used back in the days of single stage lacquer, worked pretty well, at least in-between "real" details.
But yeah...just use an AIO instead. Same idea, better choice. Want abrasion- use ZAIO or Speed. Want nonabrasive- use KAIO.
Not many cleaner waxes out there anymore. Not many waxes for that matter. Most are polymer blends of one sort or another. If a "cleaner wax" or one step product is what you're thinking about, you should consider Duragloss 501. Available at NAPA ( so you don't have to order it), It is an excellent paint cleaner which leaves a very glossy, relatively long-lasting finish. It is todays version of the old cleaner wax (it is actually a sealant as I understand it) but so much better. You can use it by itself or apply something over it. Check it out.
tom p.
Active member
In addition to those mentioned, I might add Duragloss 105 and Meguiar's D151 to this list. They are sort of one-step products.
Meguiar's has their own Cleaner/Wax product. I think it's called #9....a decent product but short-lived in the protection dept.
Meguiar's has their own Cleaner/Wax product. I think it's called #9....a decent product but short-lived in the protection dept.
the other pc
New member
tom p. said:
M09 is a cleaner/polish, it's sort of a glaze with very light cut.
Their cleaner/waxes are A12 (the classic red bottle stuff), M06, M66 and D151. Some people think of M20 as a cleaner/wax but I don't think it really cleans enough to use it that way.
pc
Dan
Well-known member
the other pc said:
I think it's easier to list the megs product that DON'T clean at all, that would be UW, Gold Class and #26. #20 and NXT/#21 are light cleaners that work ok on well maintained cars, but as PC mentions, not for neglected cars. I'd lump DG105 in that group as well.
the other pc
New member
Oops, you're right. I forgot to include ColorX in the Megs list.
Aggressiveness-wise, it's falls somewhere between M06 and M66.
pc
Aggressiveness-wise, it's falls somewhere between M06 and M66.
pc
Perfections
New member
I'm on board with Scott, optimum GPS is my current go to aio!
imported_PiPUK
New member
From a formulations sector perspective, there are numerous product which have cleaning, abrasive and protective properties which should put them under the description of 'cleaner wax' or 'AIO'. What there are not many of are products which have a stronger abrasive character but there is a reason for that!
Detailers Pride Poli Coat...good cleaning ability and super durability. The cleaning is chemical so you can use it indefinitely.
DP Poli-Coat Paint Sealant, polymer paint sealant, auto paint sealant, DP Policoat paint sealant, paint sealer
DP Poli-Coat Paint Sealant, polymer paint sealant, auto paint sealant, DP Policoat paint sealant, paint sealer
brownbob06
New member
Late to the party looking at old threads, but as far as Meg's goes their new white an black waxes would also be cleaner waxes. The blak ha polishing properties and the white solvent cleaning I believe.
brownbob06 said:
Actually, I think both Black and White "waxes" have abrasive polishing ability, with the White Wax containing more abrasives. White Wax cleans better according to Megs.
Black Wax - Page 3
Dan
Well-known member
Alfisti said:Actually, I think both Black and White "waxes" have abrasive polishing ability, with the White Wax containing more abrasives. White Wax cleans better according to Megs.
Black Wax - Page 3
That's a great visual, they need to do the same for all of their LSPs, perhaps add circles for filling and gloss.
Accumulator
Well-known member
But note that Meguiar's has been known to use the words "cleaner" and "polish" in, uhm...unique ways :think: 
:nixweiss
:nixweiss