Clay Bar Removing Touch Up Paint

evan631

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Someone told me that i could remove touch up paint with clay bar...is this true? If so do you recommend one?



I have a small scratch that was touched up, but i would like to redo it. The paint was applied extremely thin. And is probably about 1/4 inch.



If i cannot use clay bar, are there any other safe methods to remove the touch up paint.
 
I am very interested in getting an answer to this question as well. I know it "can" be done, however what are the autopians opinion on the matter? I actually red about it on s2ki.com.



You can check the link out here: S2000 Forums -> Scary paint chip repair



The guy firstly does wet sanding with excellent results (with cost of thinning the clear) and then later finds that using a claybar when the paint is left to dry only a few hours is best to level it. I am especially interested in this as i am in the middle of a major paint chip repair from egg damage. I have only put one coat on so far, as i am being very cautious and allowing one week dry time in between coats.



Post up your best paint chip repair techniques!
 
If it's been applied maybe a fews days ago, I'm sure it can be removed by a clay bar. But from my experience I used a polish by hand to remove touch up paint with ease.
 
Are all clay bars the same? Is there a specific one i should purchase? Not just for this issue, but for future uses as well.
 
evan631 said:
Are all clay bars the same? Is there a specific one i should purchase? Not just for this issue, but for future uses as well.



There's different types grades for clay. I just use Megs/Zaino/Mothers for my car, but I believe from reading that Clay Magic has the most "bite".
 
Thanks...i will stop in the local shop and see what i can pick up. They have a full line of Meguiars...so i will probably grab that.
 
If you have a modern, properly cured paint job, you can just use laquer thinner to remove the touch-up paint without affecting the rest of the paint.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
If you have a modern, properly cured paint job, you can just use laquer thinner to remove the touch-up paint without affecting the rest of the paint.



I'd modify that to read "If you have a modern, properly cured *factory* paint job.." . Sometimes lacquer thinner can compromise even the best repaints, it's only on factory paint that I'd consider that approach 100% safe. My painters all have horror stories of wiping a seemingly factory finish with lacquer thinner only to have the paint come off.



Downgear- I've never waited all that long between coats, I want the next coat to melt into the previous one a little bit, so I don't *want* the paint curing all that much between coats. Note that a paintshop wouldn't wait all that long between coats if they were doing the job. I layer the basecoat every few hours, wait ~24 and then layer the clear every few hours. Then I leave it alone for a while.



Once the chip is built back up slightly above the surrounding paint, I'd leave it alone to cure for a while. Trying to level/perfect a touchup too soon can send you back to square one, for sorta the same reason that it's easier to do then.



As for claying...the clay oughta only shear off any paint that's above the surface of the surrounding paint, but it doesn't always work out that way and if the clay is somewhat aggressive it can/might remove the touchup as opposed to just leveling it.



Personally, I don't use clay for this. I either wetsand or use Langka or just leave the touchup alone and live with the "blob" effect. But then I'm the guy who often just lives with paint chips for years (or even decades) :o



The issue with wetsanding is, IMO, a matter of the almost inevitable sanding scratches that get in the surrounding OE paint, which will almost certainly be harder than the touchup. Polishing those scratches out, *without messing up the touchup* can be a challenge. Usually not an insurmountable challenge, but still...



If wetsanding gives somebody pause (and I certainly understand that), then I'd suggest the Langka "blob remover" stuff..which is basically a mild solvent mixed with some mildly abrasive polish. Works OK (not super IME, but OK) for leveling and works better than that (again, just IME) for *removing* touchups.
 
Accumulator said:
I'd modify that to read "If you have a modern, properly cured *factory* paint job.." . Sometimes lacquer thinner can compromise even the best repaints, it's only on factory paint that I'd consider that approach 100% safe. My painters all have horror stories of wiping a seemingly factory finish with lacquer thinner only to have the paint come off.



Wow, I'm getting that strange feeling of deja vu...like you've scolded me on this before :o I'll try and review my notes before I post...;) :)
 
Setec Astronomy- Heh heh, yeah...could be :think: It does sound vaguely familiar huh ;)



I just don't want somebody to wipe the paint right off their car, and you know how it works..that one-in-a-million car with unknown post-production paintwork is the one that it'll get tried on.
 
Accumulator said:
I just don't want somebody to wipe the paint right off their car, and you know how it works..that one-in-a-million car with unknown post-production paintwork is the one that it'll get tried on.



When you're right, you're right...and you're almost always right!
 
Setec Astronomy said:
When you're right, you're right...and you're almost always right!





Heh heh, you and I are a regular ol' mutual admiration society, huh ;)



OK..I gotta finish patting myself on the back and go wash the A8.
 
When I used touch up paint to fix a scratch and chip, I waited a few weeks then I taped around the chip and then used the wet sandpaper to level it. This way you save a lot of wear and tear around the chip. Once I had it level , I didn't have any problem with clay removing the touch-up paint. I have found it easier to leave the touch-up paint not quite level to the surface and then getting some clear-coat to finish off the chip. It seems to be easier to sand off the clear-coat than the touch-up, plus your sandpaper doesn't get the color of the touch-up all over it so you can brush off the clear coat and reuse the sandpaper on another car.
 
3puttjay said:
... I have found it easier to leave the touch-up paint not quite level to the surface and then getting some clear-coat to finish off the chip..



Well, yeah...it never occurred to me that somebody would only use basecoat :think:
 
Well i have been out of this one for a while...but i tried something today and it worked!



I purchased Meguiars Scratch X or something like that....applied it to the touch up paint...and it removed it! Keep in mind, it was extremly thin coat of paint.



Just thought I'd let you know.
 
evan631 said:
I purchased Meguiars Scratch X or something like that....applied it to the touch up paint...and it removed it! Keep in mind, it was extremly thin coat of paint.



Just thought I'd let you know.



Hmm..good thing you *wanted* to remove that touchup paint as opposed to just wanting to polish the area.
 
Acc...not really sure what you are saying....but i definitly sense a bit of sarcasm. I did want to remove the excess touch up paint. Are you saying I didn't remove the paint, but merely polished over it, making it look like i removed it?
 
evan631 said:
Acc...not really sure what you are saying....but i definitly sense a bit of sarcasm. I did want to remove the excess touch up paint. Are you saying I didn't remove the paint, but merely polished over it, making it look like i removed it?



Sorry..my thoughts didn't translate properly through the keyboard :o



I wasn't really being sarcastic, just good-naturedly musing that I was glad you did actually *want* the touchup removed as opposed to just wanting to polish the area.



I was trying to say that I'd hate for somebody to get their touchup just right and decide to polish the area in question only to have the Scratch-X take off all their hard work.



So if you redo the touchup, be a little careful polishing it with Scratch-X so it doesn't remove the paint when you *don't* want it to.



Guess I was a little surprised that the Scratch-X took it all right off.
 
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