City Requires Mobile Detailers to Capture Run Off!

trig said:
Maybe you could tell everyone about how your a member of the California Urban Water Conservation Council, and how you've spoken to the Municipal Water District of Orange County and the State of California Regional Water Quality Control spamming your Pronto Wash company and talking about how much water it saves, and how mobile detailers should have fines in place for not doing it your way. I find it funny that everyone here was right about you. You do have a single-sided opinion in what will be profitable for you. The only reason you are ECO friendly, is because when your done acting as a "player" with the regulators, you'll be racking in the dough! Don't hate the player, hate the game!
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Maybe another problem with this diatribe is what I see here: Eco Auto Detailing Articles - Resources for going green in your auto detailing business Unless I don't remember my MLM/pyramid scheme marketing terms, master franchisee means that for every detailer he bullies/scares into wanting to be a ProntoWash in Orange County, he gets a piece of the action. So it's a win-win, either the competition is out of business or paying him.
 
Good point setec. Im glad everyone saw through is his little act.



This guy cares nothing for the enviroment and cares nothing for detailing.



Purely a typical business man. A good one I must say, well good in one sense.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Maybe another problem with this diatribe is what I see here: Eco Auto Detailing Articles - Resources for going green in your auto detailing business Unless I don't remember my MLM/pyramid scheme marketing terms, master franchisee means that for every detailer he bullies/scares into wanting to be a ProntoWash in Orange County, he gets a piece of the action. So it's a win-win, either the competition is out of business or paying him.
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You nailed it, Setec.



We know that advertising your products without being an Autopia sponsor is not allowed. We also know that shilling is not allowed. What he is doing is a combination of the two. That should equal a double-banning. He should be banned so hard that he can't even post on detailingbliss. DavidB allows a lot of latitude here on Autopia, allowing us to pretty much speak freely about products and vendors as long as we have no actual profit to be made in doing so. This guy has gone way over the line.



There is no doubt that he is pimping his eco friendly franchise "opportunity" here directly and indirectly. Where's David with that ban hammer?



Maybe he'll make good on his goodbye post and he won't come back. I doubt it though, when was the last time any MLM'er took no for an answer? He'll be back.



Edit: I just took a look at their website, which gives a very brief over view of their process. It says that the entire detail uses about a pint of water. It also says that special MF's are used to remove the actual dirt, grime, and grease from the car. So one of the biggest points he's been pushing on this board is dirty waste water and waste water reclamation. I imagine that these special MF's have to be laundered, right? Are you guys using washing machines that reclaim the wash water? If you're not, what's the difference between your process and a regular wash on the environment? Either way, the crap off of the car ends up back in the water eco system.
 
Well, he apparently has a 50% cust. satisfaction ratio going:



orange county prontowash - Google Maps



So, if you all don't mind, I am introducing SuperDooperPrestoWash.



For a mere $350.000 I will supply you with a new model grocery cart, three spray bottles and six newer 3x6 beach towels.



:wow::wow:Call Today!!!!!



Drew
 
Customer said:
When I first talked to this gentleman, he pushed his environmentally friendly process on me and sold me on the idea, which I still believe in. But, when they did my car, they left it with loads of swirly marks and scratches. It was cheap but, you get what you pay for I guess.
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Pushed? Rubbish!



:lol
 
Well, thanks for the compliments, but I think many are unfounded, and you missed many of my best accomplishments.



For those that I have helped, they don't come on here, as they know this model provides a competitive advantage and are out leveraging it.



How many of you, in your direct operating area, have gone out of their way to help a "competitor" ... thought so.



Now, re read the link in the OP ... first off, I have never met nor spoken with anyone in the Ventura County SWCB,a nd did not know Oxnard was going to join the growing list of Cities banning mobile Detailing, then letting Detailers back in under specific and elevated criteria. So there goes your conspiracy theory. This is happening with or without me. Most / all are reacting to the issue … I am responding to the opportunity. There’s a big difference, but most will not see it.



Secondly, reread the OP link on the story ... do you see anyone asking what the Detailers think about this? So, all you negative and challenging posters ... they really and honestly do not care what you think, more importantly, they know how you think and this was a genesis of these new standards. So, this forces a change, a change most Detailers will sit around and complain about, and a few will see this compelling event as an opportunity.



My only suggestion is to keep it quiet, this is how the industry will respond to your solution here, and just go out and win. And, with a Water $mart Eco Detailing model, there are several ... you can compete and win!



Lastly, again, sticking to the facts, I know that a Wash Mat with proper reclamation and disposal is an acceptable practice. And that a "waterless" model will pass with flying colors. But I have not seen a No Rinse pass the test. Although I support it, as what hits the ground is wither water or a biodegradable solution and not the contaminants, but these are zero discharge standards. So, the vacuboom will not pass in several cities I have tested the concept with.



Looks like I hit a nerve with some, but if you stick with facts, they are only left to call names and use derogatory humor. Sad part is, they may have a following.



Get the facts, and, for those here, do it yourself ... there are great resources to help you do it yourself. I am not trying to sway you into my system.



-jim
 
Such a tool!!!:soscared:



You don't reallly spend time at the water board meetings educating them. You spend time trying to promote your business, just like you do here. Keep on a trucking and maybe your will grow up and be truly interested in the environment and not your wallet. When that time comes, you will rid your self of the gasoline burning vehicle you drive that pollutes our environment and leavse a carbon footprint larger than most bigger vehicles.



You don't strike a chord, you are just obnoxious and apparently a tad self-diluted. You are all about your wallet and really don't care about the environment, pimping a gimmick. We don't care about your nonsense, we are just sick of your jacking productive and informative threads with it. I mean, you do your little school car wash under the guise of charity and giving back but, you accept payment for that very service on the back side. Very sleezy business.
 
This guy is like a damn infomercial.



Why is this not counted as spam?



Others have came on here and had very informative posts about eco detailing without having to pimp out a product/franchise every post. I enjoyed reading those threads and actually took something away from all of it, but your posts are all just the same thing over and over again.
 
I was hoping the moderators would address the attacks, not on the ideas, but on the person. Sticks & Bones stuff though.



What in my ideas would you like to address or challenge?



The fact remains of the original post ... how do you get compliant with these new City Regulations and Ordinances. I am not pushing them, just trying to prevent some Cities from throwing the Detailers out, and not letting them back in. There are a couple Cities who have not yet opened the door to let the industry back. Reality fellas, not spin, and not influenced by me ... but actually by the likes of the collective YOU.



Yes, I guess you could view the actions as a promotion. I simply want to protect my investment, and I can tell you from these meetings, it is under attack. All these unnecessary steps the industry has to take because of those Neanderthal Detailers, that their thinking has not yet walking upright. That the carnauba under the fingernails rubs off as their knuckles scrape as they walk.



Surprised to see a Detailer from San Francisco taking these views. Clearly, not everyone gets what is going on, and will resist with every fiber in their bones.



-jim
 
I'm with Jim on this one, you guys just don't get it!



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yes I am kidding!



From what I have read, and this is clearly just my personal opinion, he is doing nothing more than pushing his product while using his "educated" talk to do it.



"I was on this conference call"



"I just got off the pone with the board of directors"



etc.. etc..



:tribe: :beware
 
Surprised to see a Detailer from San Francisco taking these views. Clearly, not everyone gets what is going on, and will resist with every fiber in their bones.
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What exactly are my views? Have you not read my posts? I said im not against going green/eco detailing, only against your product whoring.



Your not helping us, and your not helping this industry.....all your doing is "protecting your investment".



Just read a story on another prontowash franchisee. I think his quote explains perfectly why your so worried about this....

“My brother and I were looking for a turn-key business that required minimal infrastructure, had a quick turn-around time and had a low initial investment cost,� said Peter Mott. “We chose to own and operate a ProntoWash franchise because the executives are dedicated to providing us with extensive marketing, promotional, sales and training support to help us get our business off the ground and be profitable.�
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Notice they mention nothing about detailing nor the environment. This quote pretty much sums up what your all about. Atleast these fellas were honest about it. They didnt say anything about wanting to save wildlife or the detailing industry, theyre just in it for the money.



Good luck with your franchise though.
 
Also from the site:



About ProntoWash USA



ProntoWash USA is an international franchise-based mobile car wash, detailing and paintless dent repair operation. Based on a concept first created in Argentina, the company provides consumer-friendly car wash, wax and detailing services from its retail locations at malls. The mall location is ideal for customers who don’t like to wait; they can shop in the adjacent mall while their car is washed. ProntoWash USA entered the U.S. market in 2002 and currently has 16 locations in Florida, California and Virginia. With its new partner, MedCar, a paintless dent and scratch removal company, ProntoWash is expanding its offering to include paintless dent repair to franchisees for their locations throughout the country. For more information, visit www.prontowash.com or call (305) 623-7851.
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Convenient

The simple and powerful concept behind ProntoWash is to maximize individual’s personal time and take advantage of the typical idle parking time at Shopping Malls, Entertainment facilities and the workplace; thus providing the customer an added value service and the ability to enjoy more important activities. The result of all this is a new business experience, geared 100% to providing customer convenience.







Safe

The customer simply parks the car in the assigned parking area for car wash purposes and the car is washed at that location. There is no need to move the car.







Ecological

Considering that the ProntoWash system consumes only less than 1 pint of water per service and uses biodegradable products, it represents a totally ecological alternative in comparison to the traditional system, which works with pressured water and thus it consumes hundreds of litters per service and generates pollutant effluents.







Quality Premium Services

Not only will the customer’s car be washed by hand by a well trained washer but the customer can request premium services like shampoo, hand wax and leather treatment among others.
 
Can you quote me on where I cross the line? I think there are too many leaps here not based in fact.



Should I take my web site out of my profile, so I can post just on my ideas?



Why doesn't anyone recognize the help I have given to others, in helping them make a change into this model? To overcome a hurdle where they got kicked out of a City, and I spent my time, effort and energy to help?



Why won't anyone debate me on the facts here? Instead of taking cheap and unfounded shots at the solution I am with. There is no way I can benefit financially from you in San Fran, no way.



Dsoto, I have seen your posts on No Rinse. For the City in the OP, do you realize that No Rinse is not an acceptable model, that it has not been accepted in any City with that has adopted these ordinances? They are taking a zero discharge stance, from what I have seen, it is not possible to control all No Rinse from hitting the ground? Remember, I am a supporter of this model as being consistent with the spirit and intent of Water $mart Eco Detailing. But the Cities are not.



fyi, in a Franchise opportunity, the characteristics listed are key attributes for those in the market for a franchise, for sure. You are correct, they do not appeal to those here ... I get that, but you seem to think I am coming here to sell you something. Bottom line, it has not been a fit, we have never successfully converted someone from the industry into our particular model. Typically, it is not a fit for either side, just not a good fit. We typically look outside the industry, in large part because old dogs are hard to teach new tricks, probably the same when one goes to hire ... "I have al lot of experience detailing at XYZ" .... next!



I just see a whole lot of complaints ... this is unfair stuff. That's why I was surprised, as in San Fran area, that is where all the best Management Practices to achieve the standards of the NPDES Ms$ Permit come from. And if you read closely the OP link, the State Water Control Board guy sis the genesis of these events. Oxnard is one of only a many Cities within the regulatory jurisdiction. It is spreading.



So, go ahead, make fun of me, I can take it. Reality is that I am not selling. Reality is that I have seen few posts of value.



This isn’t an opinion on what you think about global warming, this is happening.



And, today, the largest provider of water here in So California just did 2 things. 1. raised the cost of water and 2) cut the amount of water available.



Fellas, I am not creating the perfect storm, but it is happening, whether you like it or not … just trying to discuss solutions.



those who know me know that your accusations are false.



Anyone have anything of value to contribute? Maybe you guys can start a Relaited thread, and have some fun with it … I will play along.



-jim





so if logically, you were to recognize that I can't "sell" anything in your geography
 
Relaited, this will be the last post I make in this thread.



Im just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you started off on the wrong foot. Your being ignorant if you dont believe your posts before this thread were borderline spam/trolling.



I made an exaggerated post mocking your posting habits because thats exactly how we saw it. You would come into a thread that was asking a specific question and answer with a question totally unrelated.



Maybe you really do have concerns for us. Maybe your not just worried about your business growing. Only you know what your true intentions are.



IMO, one reason why waterless washing hasnt caught on here is simply for fear of marring. Youve admitted that most detailers here, whether they be "technicians or professionals", are going for a higher level than just a "clean" car. Many detailers havent even accepted that ONR wont mar any more than a traditional wash, so you can imagine how quick they are to completely embrace a waterless wash.



Before I buy a product I thoroughly research it. I read all the reviews on it on various forums, than I make my decision on whether I should buy it. To be honest, I just havent seen that many reviews on waterless products. There are very few.



If your willing to send a sample Id be more than happy to try it out and post my review.



Thats all. Good luck with your detailing endeavors.
 
Over reaching Relaited???



This looks and sounds familiar from somebody else in the Bay Area. Can you say Tea Party!!!
 
Relaited said:
Get the facts, I am not trying to sway you into my system.



-jim
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I wish I were in Texas, at lest from a business point of view, it would be easy pickins to grow my business there. It is easy here, I can't imagine how easy it would be with this thinking!



-jim
 
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