Chemicalguys Microfiber

I just can't use any other MF's besides my trusty Concours Buffing Towels!
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I really like PakShak towels. I find them softer than CBT (I believe the ultrafine or ultraplush have north of 200,000) although that is a good product also. I like quality MF since you get more density of fibers.



For a reasonable cheap towel, the $5 ultraplush from either Poorboys or Waynes is really terrific.
 
I just can't use any other MF's besides my trusty Concours Buffing Towels!
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I really like PakShak towels. I find them softer than CBT (I believe the ultrafine or ultraplush have north of 200,000) although that is a good product also. I like quality MF since you get more density of fibers.



For a reasonable cheap towel, the $5 ultraplush from either Poorboys or Waynes is really terrific.
 
I've got about 20 of the CG's towels, and they're pretty good, IMHO. I used them on fairly soft black paint and tried my best to scratch with them (put my weight on em and rubbed back and forth on a perfectly clean surface), no marring as far as I could tell. I use them for polish removal, doorjambs, glass, pretty much everything but final buffing/LSP removal (I prefer my PB's XL velvet soft towel for that). Seeing as I paid maybe 40 bucks for 20 towels, I've gotta say that I'm very happy with the CG towels. IMHO, they are on par or better than the Cobras I have.



PakShak is still better though, I don't use CG towels for spray and wipe or heavy QD work, as I feel that they're not the best towels on the market, but just a notch down, and at less than half the price of "boutique towels":), they're the choice for the vast majority of my work.
 
I've got about 20 of the CG's towels, and they're pretty good, IMHO. I used them on fairly soft black paint and tried my best to scratch with them (put my weight on em and rubbed back and forth on a perfectly clean surface), no marring as far as I could tell. I use them for polish removal, doorjambs, glass, pretty much everything but final buffing/LSP removal (I prefer my PB's XL velvet soft towel for that). Seeing as I paid maybe 40 bucks for 20 towels, I've gotta say that I'm very happy with the CG towels. IMHO, they are on par or better than the Cobras I have.



PakShak is still better though, I don't use CG towels for spray and wipe or heavy QD work, as I feel that they're not the best towels on the market, but just a notch down, and at less than half the price of "boutique towels":), they're the choice for the vast majority of my work.
 
Oh yea, chemical guys has great service and their shipping is lighting fast. I live in NJ and they are in Cali. i ordered early monday. it was then shipped out monday, and i will have it by friday.
 
Oh yea, chemical guys has great service and their shipping is lighting fast. I live in NJ and they are in Cali. i ordered early monday. it was then shipped out monday, and i will have it by friday.
 
I can't help myself, I HAVE to comment on this... guys... STOP taking about how many "strands" per inch the towels have, first of all you have no clue what you ae talking about or what that hype means. In truth a tight weave may have about 150 to 200 threads per square inch! If each thread has two strands of yarn and each strand has 20 filaments of microfiber (this is acalled a 2 thread/20 in the textile industry) then do the math and hyou have about 8,000 individual filaments of microfiber.



Just buy what you think works best and you are happiest with, stop analyzing textile construction and discussing characteristics that you know nothing about and don't need to know.
 
I can't help myself, I HAVE to comment on this... guys... STOP taking about how many "strands" per inch the towels have, first of all you have no clue what you ae talking about or what that hype means. In truth a tight weave may have about 150 to 200 threads per square inch! If each thread has two strands of yarn and each strand has 20 filaments of microfiber (this is acalled a 2 thread/20 in the textile industry) then do the math and hyou have about 8,000 individual filaments of microfiber.



Just buy what you think works best and you are happiest with, stop analyzing textile construction and discussing characteristics that you know nothing about and don't need to know.
 
krsjuan said:
Just like expensive doesn't mean better.
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Unless you're dealing with Microfiber.



I have a few hundred MF's in various styles from at least a dozen different vendors (whether they come from 12 different manufacturers, I don't know).



If folks want to wipe their paint with Costco MF's (because they're cheap) that stiffen, curl, bleach out and lose their build construction over multiple washings, then go ahead.



I'll stick with paying a bit more for SUPERIOR quality MF found in the Concourse Buffing Towel, Sonüs Der Wunder Buffing Towel, and Magic Towel. (as well as those found from PakShak and the like)



You spend thousands and thousands on purchasing your car. Pay the extra few dollars to buy the proper towels to maintain it.
 
krsjuan said:
Just like expensive doesn't mean better.
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Unless you're dealing with Microfiber.



I have a few hundred MF's in various styles from at least a dozen different vendors (whether they come from 12 different manufacturers, I don't know).



If folks want to wipe their paint with Costco MF's (because they're cheap) that stiffen, curl, bleach out and lose their build construction over multiple washings, then go ahead.



I'll stick with paying a bit more for SUPERIOR quality MF found in the Concourse Buffing Towel, Sonüs Der Wunder Buffing Towel, and Magic Towel. (as well as those found from PakShak and the like)



You spend thousands and thousands on purchasing your car. Pay the extra few dollars to buy the proper towels to maintain it.
 
Just buy what you think works best and you are happiest with, stop analyzing textile construction and discussing characteristics that you know nothing about and don't need to know.
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Leo, this is a good point but some of us may have been misled by Autogeek or CMA ads that discuss threads per inch. I think there must be some correlation between thread count and plushness or fineness, no?



Here is what CMA says about fiber density...I think this is what some of us have based our comments on in part:



http://www.properautocare.com/micwhatbigde.html
 
Just buy what you think works best and you are happiest with, stop analyzing textile construction and discussing characteristics that you know nothing about and don't need to know.
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Leo, this is a good point but some of us may have been misled by Autogeek or CMA ads that discuss threads per inch. I think there must be some correlation between thread count and plushness or fineness, no?



Here is what CMA says about fiber density...I think this is what some of us have based our comments on in part:



http://www.properautocare.com/micwhatbigde.html
 
BillyBarou said:
Leo, this is a good point but some of us may have been misled by Autogeek or CMA ads that discuss threads per inch. I think there must be some correlation between thread count and plushness or fineness, no?
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I don't think either of them is trying to mislead you, they are both good companies. They are relaying information given by the towel makers and they would have no way of knowing what is correct. So, to answer your question, no, you can have a high thread count of fine fibers and have a less plush fabric or have a low count of heavy fibers and have a very plush fabric. Burlap has a high thread count due to it's makeup but you certainly woudln't polish your car with it. For that matter, so does steel wool!



BillyBarou said:
Here is what CMA says about fiber density...I think this is what some of us have based our comments on in part:

http://www.properautocare.com/micwhatbigde.html
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This one line alone caused me to stop and not bothher reading any more:

"Microfiber is a man-made product that combines two basic fibers, Polyester and Polyamide (a nylon by-product)."



First of all MF refers to the size of the yarn not what it's made of and secondly, polyamide is not a "nylon by-product!" Nylon is DuPon'ts trademarked name for the atificial fiber known generically as polyamide. It's something like saying aspirin is a by product of Bayer. By the way, a little fun fact here... Nylon was the first man-made fiber ever developed, it first was created by DuPont in 1938. The idea was to find a replacement for silk for use in parachutes for the military. Very quickly, during WWII it was used to make women's stockings due to silk shortages, hence "Nylons"



The point I'm trying to make is that you all spend too much time analyzing info that is usually incorrect or misleading (usually unintentional.) You should pay no attention to the hype and pay attentiopn to what you like and what works best for you. Like polish or wax, you know what you like but you have really no idea of it's exact ingredients or how it is made, and you shouldn't really care either. I know I don't.
 
BillyBarou said:
Leo, this is a good point but some of us may have been misled by Autogeek or CMA ads that discuss threads per inch. I think there must be some correlation between thread count and plushness or fineness, no?
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I don't think either of them is trying to mislead you, they are both good companies. They are relaying information given by the towel makers and they would have no way of knowing what is correct. So, to answer your question, no, you can have a high thread count of fine fibers and have a less plush fabric or have a low count of heavy fibers and have a very plush fabric. Burlap has a high thread count due to it's makeup but you certainly woudln't polish your car with it. For that matter, so does steel wool!



BillyBarou said:
Here is what CMA says about fiber density...I think this is what some of us have based our comments on in part:

http://www.properautocare.com/micwhatbigde.html
Click to expand...



This one line alone caused me to stop and not bothher reading any more:

"Microfiber is a man-made product that combines two basic fibers, Polyester and Polyamide (a nylon by-product)."



First of all MF refers to the size of the yarn not what it's made of and secondly, polyamide is not a "nylon by-product!" Nylon is DuPon'ts trademarked name for the atificial fiber known generically as polyamide. It's something like saying aspirin is a by product of Bayer. By the way, a little fun fact here... Nylon was the first man-made fiber ever developed, it first was created by DuPont in 1938. The idea was to find a replacement for silk for use in parachutes for the military. Very quickly, during WWII it was used to make women's stockings due to silk shortages, hence "Nylons"



The point I'm trying to make is that you all spend too much time analyzing info that is usually incorrect or misleading (usually unintentional.) You should pay no attention to the hype and pay attentiopn to what you like and what works best for you. Like polish or wax, you know what you like but you have really no idea of it's exact ingredients or how it is made, and you shouldn't really care either. I know I don't.
 
You make some great points Leo. I've always been satisfied with what MFs are available locally, whether they be vroom towels from target or the supreme shine mf from meguiar's.
 
You make some great points Leo. I've always been satisfied with what MFs are available locally, whether they be vroom towels from target or the supreme shine mf from meguiar's.
 
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