Chemical Guy's Liquid Extreme Shine

Brad,



When you participate in a forum for a long while you get a sense of who to trust and who not to and who you are unsure about. I detect a CG bias from some here...
 
SilverLexus, and all others who would take this same approach... get ready to be invited to no longer participate in the Autopia community.



If people want to compare two products and draw the conclusion "they are the same", they have a right to do so. If it looks the same, smells the same, applies the same and gives the same results... in this industry, there's a pretty good chance it is the same product.



I will not tollerate this BS of members jumping on a brand bandwagon and creating a defensive environment. If you find yourself in that position, please stop participating and save me the trouble of banning you publicly.
 
SilverLexus said:
Where is your evidence of that? Again, another unsupported allegation. :(



You missed my point on the Bentley....as anyone familiar with both cars knows the Bentley is a far better performer and much more luxurious in look and feel.
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"I guess it's fair to say that if the Chrysler looks, feels, and performs identically to the Bentley, then either the Chrysler is a helluva deal or the Bentley is a huge rip-off. Whether Poorboy's products are original or not is debatable. But from a user point of view (themightytimmah), the two products are indistinguishable."
 
I don't see the bias argument. I use numerous CG's products, that are clearly not equivalent to PB's products. Their rim cleaner (sucks), for example, is nothing like S+R (best on the market), and they lack a counterpart to S+G or Natural Look. Now, if only I could source those three :). I've got nothing against PB's (hell, I wear their t-shirt), but if I can get the same product (at least on a functional level, if not necessarily a chemical one), at half the cost, I'd have to be a fool not to do so.



CG's private labels too, cept they don't even bother to change the labels. A bunch of their products came with Warner Chemical labels. Yes, I could order those ones specifically from Warner, and save a few bucks, but I don't do so out of convenience. That's the only argument I could see towards choosing PB's in this manner.
 
DavidB said:
SilverLexus, and all others who would take this same approach... get ready to be invited to no longer participate in the Autopia community.



If people want to compare two products and draw the conclusion "they are the same", they have a right to do so. If it looks the same, smells the same, applies the same and gives the same results... in this industry, there's a pretty good chance it is the same product.



I will not tollerate this BS of members jumping on a brand bandwagon and creating a defensive environment. If you find yourself in that position, please stop participating and save me the trouble of banning you publicly.
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So, I guess we can deduce that Megs makes Sonus clay since they are both gray and both come in a cellophane wrapper and seem to be the same strength?



Steve has told a few people who his chemist & supplier are...and it isn't CG.
 
themightytimmah said:
I don't see the bias argument. I use numerous CG's products, that are clearly not equivalent to PB's products. Their rim cleaner (sucks), for example, is nothing like S+R (best on the market), and they lack a counterpart to S+G or Natural Look. Now, if only I could source those three :). I've got nothing against PB's (hell, I wear their t-shirt), but if I can get the same product (at least on a functional level, if not necessarily a chemical one), at half the cost, I'd have to be a fool not to do so.



CG's private labels too, cept they don't even bother to change the labels. A bunch of their products came with Warner Chemical labels. Yes, I could order those ones specifically from Warner, and save a few bucks, but I don't do so out of convenience. That's the only argument I could see towards choosing PB's in this manner.
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Actually I would think that Warner may make stuff for CG...rather than the other way around.
 
Megs and Sonus clay are probably the same, thats the funny thing. There are only two major clay manufacturers out there, one is Clay Magic, the other is not a big street-level name but they supply for a good chunk of the compaines out there.
 
mtodde said:
So, I guess we can deduce that Megs makes Sonus clay since they are both gray and both come in a cellophane wrapper and seem to be the same strenght?
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The Meg's clay is white. David has been very open in discussing the way Sonus products are developed.
 
I've got nothing against PB's (hell, I wear their t-shirt), but if I can get the same product (at least on a functional level, if not necessarily a chemical one), at half the cost, I'd have to be a fool not to do so.
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I have no problem with that Timmah. That's a good argument. I'm only arguing that the chemistry is different based on evidence I have seen and heard.



I'm all for people trying new products and perhaps CG is making great products.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
The Meg's clay is white. David has been very open in discussing the way Sonus products are developed.
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I compared the Meqs Quick Clay ordered from Autopia last year to the Sonus clay I ordered...they appeared, note appeared, to be identical. I didn't think to look for the numbers on the cellophanes.



Previous posts have shown that some of the "premium" clays are identical to Mother's clay including the numbers on the cellophane wrapper.
 
mtodde said:
So, I guess we can deduce that Megs makes Sonus clay since they are both gray and both come in a cellophane wrapper and seem to be the same strength?



Steve has told a few people who his chemist & supplier are...and it isn't CG.
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What was your point with this comment?



I don't give a rat's arse what "Steve" or anyone else says, as it has nothing to do with my last post. If you're here to make a stand on a product or brand... GET LOST! The community does not need or want you here if that is your motive. I've had quite enough of the brand thugs pushing their oppinion on others.



FYI: All "legal" clay comes from a single source.
 
mtodde said:
I compared the Meqs Quick Clay ordered from Autopia last year to the Sonus clay I ordered...they appeared, note appeared, to be identical. I didn't think to look for the numbers on the cellophanes.



Previous posts have shown that some of the "premium" clays are identical to Mother's clay including the numbers on the cellophane wrapper.
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There are only 2 major clay makers in the world, Auto Magic and KEL Mfg. I don't think KEL is making anything right now due to a lawsuit, but I could be wrong. It's cheaper for most manufacturers, including big companies like Mothers and Meguairs, to buy from one of those 2 companies rather than make it themselves.
 
David,



That's well good but how do we discern the difference between trying to find the truth about product design and performance and you interpreting that we are "making a stand on a particular brand"?



I just want to be clear so I don't step on any rules but also hopefully have the freedom to call people on the stuff where misleading or untruthful statements are made.



If you believe that Steve is trustworthy as an individual, then I think some statements here are very misleading and take away from the community. It seems that Autopia was designed to get to the bottom of things through discussion so that we members could make more informed decisions about buying detailing products and also how to use them.
 
DavidB said:
What was your point with this comment?



I don't give a rat's arse what "Steve" or anyone else says, as it has nothing to do with my last post. If you're here to make a stand on a product or brand... GET LOST! The community does not need or want you here if that is your motive. I've had quite enough of the brand thugs pushing their oppinion on others.
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Gee, you feel different when someone questions your products, huh?



Go ahead & ban me...Autopia is not what it used to be. This proves that you are a hypocrite. I wonder if this isn't your way of getting back at Poorboy's for not sponsoring Autopia or if CG is paying you to allow this to go on. Anyone remember NXT?



I guess I'll GET LOST. I don't give a rats *** what you think.
 
BTW, sponsors...take note...I'm sure there will be another reversal in the sponsorship program soon.
 
mtodde said:
Gee, you feel different when someone questions your products, huh?



Go ahead & ban me...Autopia is not what it used to be. This proves that you are a hypocrite. I wonder if this isn't your way of getting back at Poorboy's for not sponsoring Autopia or if CG is paying you to allow this to go on. Anyone remember NXT?



I guess I'll GET LOST. I don't give a rats *** what you think.
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Now your true colors shine through... Thank you for deciding to no longer participate.
 
David,



What is wrong with wanting absolute evidence? We would all be screwed if the legal system operated in the "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..." fashion. I'm not taking a stand on any product as I honestly do not care what the source is or who uses what. If not legally wrong, it is morally wrong to state one thing is another based just on personal opinion.



I think your Sonus Carnauba Spritz is very similar to Pinnacle Crystal Mist. But why would anyone say one product IS the other without absolute proof? I have zero proof of Carnauba Spritz being even remotely similar to Crystal Mist other than the results being equivalent. Let's assume the base chemicals are identical (I imagine that is the case much of the time)...of course the results will be similar or indistinguishable but that does not mean the two products are identical and certainly does not warrant a statement on a public board being passed off as "fact." This has happened several times recently.
 
mtodde said:
Previous posts have shown that some of the "premium" clays are identical to Mother's clay including the numbers on the cellophane wrapper.
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DavidB said:
FYI: All "legal" clay comes from a single source.
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We discussed this in another thread, I even went and read the patents and posted the numbers. It's also a good example; even though all bar clay comes from the same source, it's not all the same. It's formulated for the the seller...it could be identical to what others are selling....it could be very different, it could be in between. You pays yer money and takes yer choice. There is a middle ground here; I have a personal experience which is a good analogue to this situation which I may post if this thread doesn't get closed and perhaps I should clear the content...
 
COBRyan said:
"We will aid in the formulation of your own unique product. Our experience spans OEM production, mail order items, promotional programs, as well as national and regional store brands. Give us an idea of what you are looking for in a product and we can formulate it. All product scent, fragrance, color, viscosity, thickness, look and feel can also be custom tailored to your needs once the product is agreed upon."



http://www.chemicalguys.com/distributors.htm
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Okay, let's say for arguement's sake that Steve does buy his formulas through Chemical Guys. The above quote says CG will help you blend your own UNIQUE product. While the unique product may share some basic similarities with CG's, it will also have some of it's own ingredients and application differences as well.
 
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