Carpro Essence question?
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Mike
It is probably still ok to use.
ShaneB
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Only one way to really tell. I would suggest some serious shaking though.
I would think that if a product has an expiration on it, especially one like essence, maybe it wont work as intended anymore. It may still work but my guess, considering the nature of the product, is that the layer of protection that should be left behind is where its going to suffer. I probably wouldn`t try it as a primer under a coating because id be worried about longevity.
I would think that if a product has an expiration on it, especially one like essence, maybe it wont work as intended anymore. It may still work but my guess, considering the nature of the product, is that the layer of protection that should be left behind is where its going to suffer. I probably wouldn`t try it as a primer under a coating because id be worried about longevity.
I was actually worried about the silica being dried up and possibly scratching the paint. I will shake it an see what it looks like.
0inDetail0
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Try it. I`m not even close to a year on mine but I wrap my bottle in plastic wrap and put it in a Ziploc. Keep it cool and dark location
I would be very carefull to use it. Shake it up thoroughly and wear a glove and take some in the hand. See if you see any clear dots in it and feel between your fingers if there is bigger parts in it. If it`s still smooth to the touch and looks okey maybe it`s good to go. And as on wrote if you have stored it cool and dark it may have survived.
billboard2001
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I asked the question of Corey and this was his reply:
"[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Hi Bill! Shelf life is 1-2 years. There should be a date on the bottom. Note the second date is the expiry but generally on this product you have a good year beyond that it will work no problem at all. No difference. Also note the date is Day/Month/Year"
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Does anyone know how to remove carpro essence which seems to set like concrete?
On the basis of my mistaken impression that essence had good correcting abilities I didn`t use a compound or dedicated finishing polish prior to its application. The paintwork which is silver is not exactly trashed but I am keen to refine it further before reapplying essence with a topper.
Can you say whether over a number of months essence will degenerate and detach itself from the clearcoat or whether it is likely to just lose its hydrophobic properties and remain on the paint as a semi permanent barrier? This product has been out for some time now so I suspect that someone on this forum should have an insight.
I should be most grateful for your assistance.
Many thanks in anticipation
TheMac
On the basis of my mistaken impression that essence had good correcting abilities I didn`t use a compound or dedicated finishing polish prior to its application. The paintwork which is silver is not exactly trashed but I am keen to refine it further before reapplying essence with a topper.
Can you say whether over a number of months essence will degenerate and detach itself from the clearcoat or whether it is likely to just lose its hydrophobic properties and remain on the paint as a semi permanent barrier? This product has been out for some time now so I suspect that someone on this forum should have an insight.
I should be most grateful for your assistance.
Many thanks in anticipation
TheMac
William_Wallace
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I didn’t even realize they had exp date I have been using a really old bottle as well I couldn’t tell a difference it’s a nice but expensive product
TroyScherer
Ummm.... Ya.....
I am pulling some of this from another thread where you asked the same question confusing CarPro Essence Plus+ and Carpro Essence Extreme Gloss. But the response and info as basically still the same and valid.
CarPro Essence Plus+ and Carpro Essence Extreme Gloss are 2 different products.
Carpro Essence Extreme Gloss - This is an extremely light polish and more of a finial step / coating prep polish. I would not be using this as a compound/polish expecting any major correction power.
If you are looking to "remove" Essence Extreme Gloss I would just use a normal compound or finishing polish. This is not a long term coating.
CarPro Essence Plus+ - This on the other hand while named the same is a follow-up product to use as a coating cleanup / repair. I would suggest using it by hand or very lightly with a wax pad on machine. The naming on these 2 products drives me nuts. They really need to change one of the names because people get them confused.
Essence Plus+ is just like Essence or any other sealant/wax. Of course it will degrade over time and just wear away. Coating essentially do the same thing.
Many tks for the reply. I put my first post under the carpro essence plus thread as I hadn`t noticed this one and also because I couldn`t find out how to create a new thread. Both my posts relate to carpro essence primer. I have since contacted Carpro customer services directly and been given the same information. Very heartening. Thanks again.
acuRAS82
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FWIW, I’m using a bottle that’s over a year past the expiration date and haven’t seen any issues.
Ive had Essence Extreme on areas by itself for quite some time (~4 months) and it eventually became like a bare surface as far as water behavior... maybe at the 2-3 month mark. I wasn’t purposely tracking it so I can’t say the time frame for sure. I have no clue whether it was gone at that point or just contaminated.
Likewise, many times I’ve tested other products with Essence underneath and when the top product wears out, there is crappy beading but hard to say whether water fully sat on it. I think there was always poor beading to some extent by the time I polished.
Not sure these wishy-washy memories are helpful since they don’t answer or prove anything... but it’s all I got.
Ive had Essence Extreme on areas by itself for quite some time (~4 months) and it eventually became like a bare surface as far as water behavior... maybe at the 2-3 month mark. I wasn’t purposely tracking it so I can’t say the time frame for sure. I have no clue whether it was gone at that point or just contaminated.
Likewise, many times I’ve tested other products with Essence underneath and when the top product wears out, there is crappy beading but hard to say whether water fully sat on it. I think there was always poor beading to some extent by the time I polished.
Not sure these wishy-washy memories are helpful since they don’t answer or prove anything... but it’s all I got.
Thanks for the reply.
Since posting I have been informed that Essence displays very few Hydrophobic properties.
Maybe someone can help me with this. I applied both Essence and TAC Systems One Step Master to my car and although the paintwork now appears to be extremely glossy and reflective TAC`s One Step Master muted the silver colour. This effect is apparently called jetting. This is a major contributory reason for me intending to remove both products and reapply essence with Polish Angel Cosmic Spritz which I am informed doesn’t have the same issue.
Nevertheless, things are rarely straightforward. I have recently come across a video conducted by Apex Detail on 28 May 2019 showing Polish Angel HIGH GLOSS producing some 91 to 92 gloss units whereas another, more recent, video of theirs dated 28 December of the same year shows TAC Systems One Step Master giving gloss readings of 99 to 102 gloss units.
Can anyone say how many gloss units Essence provides even on its own and to what extent it is likely to assist Polish Angle’s Cosmic Spritz to achieve similarly high gloss readings to One Step Master?
I have to say that I used both Essence and One Step Master on my son’s MX5 sports car which has darker paint and the results were truly amazing. Both are fantastic products. It is just a pity that One Step Master has a tendency to darken / mute light paint colours.
Many thanks in anticipation of some constructive replies.
TheMac
I have two further questions if someone would assist.
If you attempt to jewel the paint with Essence is the paint flattened with the abrasives in the polish or just filled on a semi permanent basis?
Secondly I have attempted to obtain Brian from Apex Detail`s email address without success. It must be one of the most closely guarded secrets on the net even though he frequently invites people to contact him. There are so many detailing firms called Apex Detail that I have no idea which if any, is his. Additionally is he likely to reply or, if you are lucky just address your question at some future time on his channel?
If you attempt to jewel the paint with Essence is the paint flattened with the abrasives in the polish or just filled on a semi permanent basis?
Secondly I have attempted to obtain Brian from Apex Detail`s email address without success. It must be one of the most closely guarded secrets on the net even though he frequently invites people to contact him. There are so many detailing firms called Apex Detail that I have no idea which if any, is his. Additionally is he likely to reply or, if you are lucky just address your question at some future time on his channel?
I have two further questions if someone would assist.<br>If you attempt to jewel the paint with Essence is the paint flattened with the abrasives in the polish or just filled on a semi permanent basis?<br>Secondly I have attempted to obtain Brian from Apex Detail`s email address without success. It must be one of the most closely guarded secrets on the net even though he frequently invites people to contact him. There are so many detailing firms called Apex Detail that I have no idea which if any, is his. Additionally is he likely to reply or, if you are lucky just address your question at some future time on his channel?
acuRAS82
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@TheMac
Agreed Essence has poor hydrophobic properties which is one main reason it should be topped.
I don’t know much about gloss units but member Loach has a gloss meter thread here or on AG that gives his gloss readings for many different products before and after washing them for a first time. I’m pretty sure Essence alone is included. Try searching, it started maybe 3-6 months ago but still occasionally gets updated.
This is only my opinion from using it, but I think there could be minuscule flattening of clear coat from jeweling with Essence. It’s very fine abrasives but for whatever reason, using a very soft pad and using slow arm movement creates a ton of gloss. Perhaps it’s due to letting the product warm a bit which supposedly activates fillers, but regardless of slight polishing ability or the fillers, I get max gloss (to my eyes) when using gloss pads on an already, freshly polished surface.
I do t have any info about reaching Brian but someone will probably chime in.
Agreed Essence has poor hydrophobic properties which is one main reason it should be topped.
I don’t know much about gloss units but member Loach has a gloss meter thread here or on AG that gives his gloss readings for many different products before and after washing them for a first time. I’m pretty sure Essence alone is included. Try searching, it started maybe 3-6 months ago but still occasionally gets updated.
This is only my opinion from using it, but I think there could be minuscule flattening of clear coat from jeweling with Essence. It’s very fine abrasives but for whatever reason, using a very soft pad and using slow arm movement creates a ton of gloss. Perhaps it’s due to letting the product warm a bit which supposedly activates fillers, but regardless of slight polishing ability or the fillers, I get max gloss (to my eyes) when using gloss pads on an already, freshly polished surface.
I do t have any info about reaching Brian but someone will probably chime in.
AcuRAS82
Many thanks for the reply.
Your reference to the gloss thread was invaluable. What I am takiñg away from it is that high gloss levels seem dependant on refining the paint and that it doesn`t much matter which of the compounds, finishing polishes are used for that purpose. Interesting to see that Essence doesn`t seem to produce more gloss units than añy of the other finishing polishes and that cosmic spritz seems to produce the same number.
The difficulty, if there is one, is that the essence and one step master coats were applied in my garage and that I am not in a position to tell which has produced the `paint popping` effect. Nevertheless, I can recognise that differences in the level of gloss on refined paint may be difficult to notice anyway, and is perhaps not as important as depth, wetness and warmth ñone of which a gloss meter will be able to measure and all of which I am hoping will be supplied by Polish Angel cosmic spritz.
Many thanks again. Autopia.org is a great resource.
TheMac
Many thanks for the reply.
Your reference to the gloss thread was invaluable. What I am takiñg away from it is that high gloss levels seem dependant on refining the paint and that it doesn`t much matter which of the compounds, finishing polishes are used for that purpose. Interesting to see that Essence doesn`t seem to produce more gloss units than añy of the other finishing polishes and that cosmic spritz seems to produce the same number.
The difficulty, if there is one, is that the essence and one step master coats were applied in my garage and that I am not in a position to tell which has produced the `paint popping` effect. Nevertheless, I can recognise that differences in the level of gloss on refined paint may be difficult to notice anyway, and is perhaps not as important as depth, wetness and warmth ñone of which a gloss meter will be able to measure and all of which I am hoping will be supplied by Polish Angel cosmic spritz.
Many thanks again. Autopia.org is a great resource.
TheMac
acuRAS82
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I personally agree that the eye test is more important (yet totally unmeasureable) than gloss readings. And I only say that because I’ve tried so many LSPs on the same set of 5 or 6 paints and although some are are brighter or have more reflections, those reflections look different depths and different smoothness levels which seems to correlate better or worse on certain paint types/colors.
With the above stated, I respect gloss ratings and they are not to be ignored. But they certainly don’t automatically mean the best look on light metallic vs dark metallic vs blue solid vs black solid. However there are times when I want a very bling/bright look and would certainly start my search with those that have high gloss readings.
And polishing is the #1 initiative for highest gloss, but as I always say, I’m an enthusiast who is always trying to polish my best, so once that is complete I’m then searching for that extra 10% of gloss or jetting or whatever other characteristics in a look I’m shooting for. And to my eyes, looking at the same handful of paints, the LSP seems to make that difference.
And I like Essence a lot. And I have Moonlight and Quartzmax and based on your observation of TAC Systems, I look forward to using them and checking out what they do for that final look.
acuRAS82
Thanks yet again for the reply. The following couple of points may help to inform or be of passing iñterest to you. The first is that the car in question has relatively hard paint being an Audi and the second, which is maybe a bit more relevant, relates to the nature of the jetting.
When I first applied the two products the paintwork appeared to have taken on a fairly significant tint similar to the colour of the One Step Master in the applicator bottle. The wheels, which are fairly bright silver, looked like they might have been taken off añother car. As a result I appĺed the topper to one of the wheels to see if I could tone it down but it just became murky.
Since the time of application five weeks and some seven washes ago the, almost miñk, tint has lessened significantly but the original bright ice silver colour of the paintwork is still proving to be illusive.
As you know my current intention in the new year is to refine the paintwork with the Final Cut compound and Scholl S30+, reapply Essence and top with Cosmic Spritz which apparently has no fillers and produces ño jetting. The advantage of Spritz to me is that a half litre should last a coupĺe of years and be relatively easily removed if it proves to be necessary. Also although I have yet to see it in the flesh I haven`t read or heard of any adverse comments re the product.
If you or anyone else have any thoughts on the above approach I should be most grateful to hear them before I invest a further £98 on the Sprotz.
Please accept my thanks again for your input which has proved to be invaluable.
Thanks yet again for the reply. The following couple of points may help to inform or be of passing iñterest to you. The first is that the car in question has relatively hard paint being an Audi and the second, which is maybe a bit more relevant, relates to the nature of the jetting.
When I first applied the two products the paintwork appeared to have taken on a fairly significant tint similar to the colour of the One Step Master in the applicator bottle. The wheels, which are fairly bright silver, looked like they might have been taken off añother car. As a result I appĺed the topper to one of the wheels to see if I could tone it down but it just became murky.
Since the time of application five weeks and some seven washes ago the, almost miñk, tint has lessened significantly but the original bright ice silver colour of the paintwork is still proving to be illusive.
As you know my current intention in the new year is to refine the paintwork with the Final Cut compound and Scholl S30+, reapply Essence and top with Cosmic Spritz which apparently has no fillers and produces ño jetting. The advantage of Spritz to me is that a half litre should last a coupĺe of years and be relatively easily removed if it proves to be necessary. Also although I have yet to see it in the flesh I haven`t read or heard of any adverse comments re the product.
If you or anyone else have any thoughts on the above approach I should be most grateful to hear them before I invest a further £98 on the Sprotz.
Please accept my thanks again for your input which has proved to be invaluable.
acuRAS82
New member
I can’t say Cosmic Spritz won’t provide “jetting” as I consider jetting to be sort of a warmer, stretching-over-contour-lines type of look (and a good one), but now that I looked up ‘mink‘ color, I can see why TAC could do this while also changing color of the surface.
Nost ceramic products will slightly darken the surface. Some barely noticeable, some very noticeable. Cosmic, IMO won’t make your paint color look drastically different. At least from my experience (1 black metallic, 1 black solid, 1 silver metallic car). It does leave some smoothness and what I could call jetting. This compared to some other ceramic toppers that are sharper looking.
I like Cosmic and it should last a few years for the 500ml bottle even if you use way more often than needed. It looks great on Essence. I say go for it.