Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

Stokdgs- Heh heh, IME *every* tool that runs on disposable batteries oughta be stored without `em in place....even if I don`t always do it :o I just *HATE* that PhaseII ETG though, hard to use is a ridiculous understatement and the others I`ve tried were all easy-peasy. I even sent it back for a checkup as I was certain it was defective! OK, end of rant.

On the Clearcoat Removal, that just goes to show that you know people who know what they`re doing :D

Ford says no more than 2/3mil over the life of the car, which is a fair amount, but when I was shopping for the Crown Vic I gauged a *LOT* of `em that`d had well over 1.5mils removed! More than that was taken on my `93 Audi before I got it.

Wonder if/how others will respond on this issue; the last time I recall it coming up I said how I see a *LOT* of clearcoat failure in my area and can often see exactly how it was buffed to cause that. People implied that I was full of it and they never see that *ever*....OK...but I sure see it every week and I don`t really pay attention to other people`s paint.
 
LashingStanley said:
Sometimes I top..[HD Speed].. with FK1000p ...
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Hey, does that work OK?!? I`d have thought that the natural waxes in Speed would cause issues...I`ve never had any problems using FK1000P on top of anything, but I`ve been kinda careful about what combos I tried too (always used synthetic waxes under it).

I gather that Essence works OK under FK1000P too, right?

And, again, somebody please school me if I`m wrong....the abrasives in those are ?what?...in-between KAIO and ZAIO? Like, almost functionally nonabrasive? I`ve *never* gotten any correction at all out of any of my AIOs, but the ZAIO did micromar exterior plastics that other abrasives work fine on.
 
JustJesus said:
For some PTG readings, check out the numbers here https://www.autopia.org/forums/mach...hru-3d-aat-flex-mirka-abralon.html?highlight=

I took readings before, after sanding, and after polishing. The pics with the numbers may be hard to read, so try to increase your font size (or viewing percentage, or whatever it`s called so you can "magnify" what you are seeing on screen).
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Hermano !
Thanks for the link to your previous post - unfortunately, it says now that all those great pics are disabled... :(
Dan F
 
Accumulator said:
Stokdgs- Heh heh, IME *every* tool that runs on disposable batteries oughta be stored without `em in place....even if I don`t always do it :o I just *HATE* that PhaseII ETG though, hard to use is a ridiculous understatement and the others I`ve tried were all easy-peasy. I even sent it back for a checkup as I was certain it was defective! OK, end of rant.

On the Clearcoat Removal, that just goes to show that you know people who know what they`re doing :D

Ford says no more than 2/3mil over the life of the car, which is a fair amount, but when I was shopping for the Crown Vic I gauged a *LOT* of `em that`d had well over 1.5mils removed! More than that was taken on my `93 Audi before I got it.

Wonder if/how others will respond on this issue; the last time I recall it coming up I said how I see a *LOT* of clearcoat failure in my area and can often see exactly how it was buffed to cause that. People implied that I was full of it and they never see that *ever*....OK...but I sure see it every week and I don`t really pay attention to other people`s paint.
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Hermano Accumulator !

Remember a while back when the process was to get the paint "Perfectly Corrected" etc..., and not a thought about how much clear coat was removed ? :)

We all saw that phase go by and now, I bet a lot those beautiful vehicles have way less to no clearcoat left because they kept doing this - because - they kept scratching up the paint every year...

I counsel all my Clients to please not ask me to make it perfect, if they know that another year of the Brown Bear Car Wash is going to bring us pretty much close to where we just started, and then I remove more clear coat again...

It is just not worth it, IME, long term to do this to factory paintwork.. Would rather take just a little off each time, and hopefully the Client will do better at washing in between - or bring it to me to wash it...
Dan F
 
Accumulator said:
Hey, does that work OK?!? I`d have thought that the natural waxes in Speed would cause issues...I`ve never had any problems using FK1000P on top of anything, but I`ve been kinda careful about what combos I tried too (always used synthetic waxes under it).

I gather that Essence works OK under FK1000P too, right?

And, again, somebody please school me if I`m wrong....the abrasives in those are ?what?...in-between KAIO and ZAIO? Like, almost functionally nonabrasive? I`ve *never* gotten any correction at all out of any of my AIOs, but the ZAIO did micromar exterior plastics that other abrasives work fine on.
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HD Speed does contain non-diminishing abrasives and is suppose to have about the same amount of cut as HD Polish+

After several years of using them both on a daily basis I`d consider HD Polish+ to be at 3 for cutting ability and HD Speed at 2.5

There is definitely non-diminishing abrasives in HD Speed that if you really wanted to, is capable of removing scratches and swirls. When used with a cutting pad, slow arm speed, higher machine speed, and heavy pressure it`s certainly capable of permanent paint correction.

BUT, if you use it with light pressure, soft polishing pads, and slightly faster arm movement, it becomes more of a non-abrasive cleaner wax like KAIO.....except HD Speed is easier to use, removes FAR easier than anything (even FK1000p), and doesn`t stain trim (even if it`s allowed to dry).

I personally have had no issues with topping FK1000p over HD Speed. I do use Wolfgang Uber as a quick detailer to remove any polishing oils or residue left behind by HD speed (even though it removes easier than virtually any other product on the market and never leaves behind visual polishing oils).

Truth is, I honestly have no clue if natural waxes in HD Speed interfered with the bonding of FK1000p since I use OCW every month or so.
 
Stokdgs- I really feel for you pros; it`s easy enough for me to just "correct it and that`s that" but when "regular people" are added to the
mix the whole "knowing when to say when" gets critical.

I was just surprised that you can get good results taking off that little clear. The last time I ETG`ed a seemingly minor spot-correction I had to take off (IIRC) nearly five microns and even then I can still see residual marring without really working at it. I took at least half a mil off the Tahoe when I got it, almost certainly more in many areas (didn`t even bother ETGing it after a little while, just hammered it like Barry Theal until I could stand to look at it and even then... it still looks awful to me).

The guy who was "detailing" the `93 Audi didn`t stop until he hit the pearl layer in places and still left holograms all over it...dark blue car that shows flaws too hence my constant [griping] about it.
 
LashingStanley- Ah, thanks for the added info. Turns out I still have more ZAIO than I`d thought, but I`m gonna keep an eye peeled for more posts about using FK1000P on top of it.

Oh, and..heh heh..no surprise that Speed buffs off easier than the FK1000P; some seem to think the FK is kinda tough, not that I ever noticed. Well, it *is* harder than, say...Souveran.
 
you have your obvious glaze + wax/sealant option

essence (on soft pad) or essence+ might work ok (I think that was mentioned before but I briefly scanned)


you can also look into Kamakazi Artificial Clear Coat + one of their coatings on top (this is the route I will go later on if I keep my car)
 
512detail said:
..you can also look into Kamakazi Artificial Clear Coat + one of their coatings on top (this is the route I will go later on if I keep my car)
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Huh, so many new products these days! Never heard of the Artificial Clear Coat..

EDIT: Hey, what do you mean "if you keep your car"?!?
 
Accumulator said:
Huh, so many new products these days! Never heard of the Artificial Clear Coat..

EDIT: Hey, what do you mean "if you keep your car"?!?
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Yes that product has always interested me. I had a client who was going to book a job using it but he ended up selling the vehicle.


I dont want to toss coal into the derailment train, but I`ve been toying with the idea of upgrading to a whinier SRT but I keep talking myself out of it.


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Accumulator said:
LashingStanley- Ah, thanks for the added info. Turns out I still have more ZAIO than I`d thought, but I`m gonna keep an eye peeled for more posts about using FK1000P on top of it.

Oh, and..heh heh..no surprise that Speed buffs off easier than the FK1000P; some seem to think the FK is kinda tough, not that I ever noticed. Well, it *is* harder than, say...Souveran.
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In general, FK1000p is the easiest WOWO sealant to remove IME. Even easier than Powerlock which is known for being effortless to remove. I have used Souveran Paste Wax twice and I can confidently say HD Speed is still MUCH easier to remove. It`s hard to explain just how effortless and clean HD Speed is to wipe off to someone who hasn`t used it but you`re not definitely not doing yourself any favors by waiting to buy some until you`ve used up the rest of your ZAIO.
 
LashingStanely- You doing WOWO with the FK1000P? I let it set up, sometimes for quite a while.

My understanding of "harder/easier to buff off" is kinda just theoretical...everything seems to buff off so easily that it just doesn`t register on me. It`s like "what`s easier to pick up, a water glass or a cup of coffee?" :D

And heh heh, I`m doing myself a huge favor whenever I don`t...accumulate...any more stuff that I don`t really need ;) Note that I don`t actually use stuff like ZAIO for years on end. I really do just wash and occasionally refresh the LSP..that`s it. I *might* not need any more AIOs in this lifetime!
 
Accumulator said:
LashingStanely- You doing WOWO with the FK1000P? I let it set up, sometimes for quite a while.

My understanding of "harder/easier to buff off" is kinda just theoretical...everything seems to buff off so easily that it just doesn`t register on me. It`s like "what`s easier to pick up, a water glass or a cup of coffee?" :D

And heh heh, I`m doing myself a huge favor whenever I don`t...accumulate...any more stuff that I don`t really need ;) Note that I don`t actually use stuff like ZAIO for years on end. I really do just wash and occasionally refresh the LSP..that`s it. I *might* not need any more AIOs in this lifetime!
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Holy Smokes, you`re wash regimen must be pretty impressive. Even if I don`t have too many scratches or swirls on my truck from my wash process after a few months (which I usually do because my wash routine isn`t the best) it`s just so much easier for me to use HD Speed rather than my favorite finishing polish (HD Polish+) because I`m not looking for correction, I`m just trying to "deep clean" my paint and bring out as much gloss as possible and HD Speed allows me to go over my entire truck without the need to stop and buff it off until I`m completely finished.

Also, I may have misused the term WOWO when describing FK1000p. I thought that term was used to describe all wipe on wipe off products that have to be applied then allowed to dry. I ALWAYS apply FK1000p in the evening and then wait until the next morning to remove. It`s why I put FK1000p in the same league as HD Speed. They are both so easy to remove despite how long you wait to remove it.

I know what you mean about all products being so easy to buff off now days. What always brings me back to HD Polish+ & HD Speed is not only that they`re easy to remove, but they never smear or leave behind any visible residual oils. I`ve always hated how oily menzerna polishes, compounds, and AIO`s are.

I appreciate the fact that you don`t feel like you have to buy and try something just because it`s the latest/greatest thing. I think the majority of us have a hard time with that so I commend you on efforts.ha

That said, one thing I`ll never understand is continuing to buy and use IUDJ when wolfgang uber is SO much better...I`m just kidding....it`s not THAT much better.haha
 
LashingStanley- Ah, yeah...WOWO...I figured that meant Wipe On (immediately) Wipe Off, with no flash/dry time.

And yeah, I`m pretty dialed-in on my wash regimen...simply don`t have to polish any more for the most part. Haven`t had to do a full-vehicle correction on anything for years, that was really just a "one time on a new-to-me vehicle" thing, just spot-correction now if somebody touches it.

EDIT: Oh, Heh heh heh regarding the Uber ;)
 
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