Cant bust swirls...

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Mattress

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In the past 3 days i detailed my friends truck and my car.... my lexus looks great... although in sun the truth is the swirls are still everywhere, but better than before... and in his former (farm Truck) turned lifted DD...His swirls and scratches are still there; yet, improved on..



HIS TRUCK: Gmc 1996 z71 ex cab. moderate - severe scratches (many to body) .. severe swirls etc...

process:

Wash ONR

Clay Pinnicle

Wash ONR

Menzerna ip Via PC, orange edge 2000... on speed 6

Menzerna FPII Via PC, White polishing Edge 2000 ...on speed 5-6

Upp by hand



I Ask myself what i do wrong but i seem to come across nothing... all advice from here pretty much stays in mind.



so, is it possible that the two cars i happen to do had swirls too severe to deal with, using a 7424? also... my variety is pretty endless in products...



Going slow about and 1" a second, 50% passes, 1.5x2.5 ft areas

I see everybody Making progress at this skill, on this site, but im still having trouble...

Help Me firgure this out...



ill try to get some pics up ASAP



Side note: my pc sometimes decides to not rotate... just vibrate, seems im just draging product over the cc... thats not breaking down polish correct? does this happen to others? what to do about this as well?
 
Mattress- It sounds to me like simply unrealistic expectations :D I don't mean that in a snarky way, it's just that will all the incredible before/afters on this website it's easy to expect things to turn out better/faster than they do. I bet things turned out better than you might think.



The PC can do a lot of work but it does it rather slowly; I've spent literally *hours* on a single panel many times. And a lot of marring on vehicles like that truck will simply be too deep to remove safely.



Applying pressure does make thge PC quit doing the dual-action thing (that's why some call it a "jiggle machine"). Using a 4" pad setup will help make it more aggressive and will also help prevent the bogging down/jiggling.



So I'd:



-Keep the goal of "better/good enough" in mind and not expect perfection.



-Consider "better" to be a a lot closer to "good enough" and try to just get it even better each time it needs waxed again.



-Work one panel at a time next time so you can concentrate your efforts and not turn it into a marathon session. It's already a lot better all over so working it more in sections oughta make for a gradual, reasonable, ongoing improvement.



-Get the small backing plate and some 4" pads.



Oh, and while I haven't worked on a Lexus, when I did an '05 Rent-a-Suburban I had to get out the rotary and it still took me a long, long time. Hard paint makes it all tougher.
 
Accumulator said:
Mattress- It sounds to me like simply unrealistic expectations :D I don't mean that in a snarky way, it's just that will all the incredible before/afters on this website it's easy to expect things to turn out better/faster than they do. I bet things turned out better than you might think.



The PC can do a lot of work but it does it rather slowly; I've spent literally *hours* on a single panel many times. And a lot of marring on vehicles like that truck will simply be too deep to remove safely.



Applying pressure does make thge PC quit doing the dual-action thing (that's why some call it a "jiggle machine"). Using a 4" pad setup will help make it more aggressive and will also help prevent the bogging down/jiggling.



So I'd:



-Keep the goal of "better/good enough" in mind and not expect perfection.



-Consider "better" to be a a lot closer to "good enough" and try to just get it even better each time it needs waxed again.



-Work one panel at a time next time so you can concentrate your efforts and not turn it into a marathon session. It's already a lot better all over so working it more in sections oughta make for a gradual, reasonable, ongoing improvement.



-Get the small backing plate and some 4" pads.



Oh, and while I haven't worked on a Lexus, when I did an '05 Rent-a-Suburban I had to get out the rotary and it still took me a long, long time. Hard paint makes it all tougher.
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I appreciate all the info...and it is partly that i am a believer of doing what i do the best..so yes i am hard on myself but i certinly thought i could tackle these problems.. allthough i do work one panel at a time... i guess it was just my luck that i run into that my first two details... i have a upcoming benz with the most amount of marring ive seen and hopefully i will be able to perfect my futile efforts...
 
Sorry, I think I was unclear :o When I said "one panel at a time" I meant that on your car and your buddy's truck you could spend a whole day on getting just one panel the way you'd like it rather than trying to do the whole car.



On the Benz, what year is it? The recent ones with CeramiClear are *hard* and some of the earlier ones (through maybe mid-80's) have sorta fragile paint and some early non-metallic colors are even factory single stage. Quite a broad spectrum with that marque!



Get that 4" pad setup, you'll be glad you did ;)



Oh, and heh heh, I would't be so quick to label your efforts "futile". I have pretty high expectations of myself too (in all areas of endeavor) but you gotta be realistic.
 
gotcha, yea... true... if it wasnt for the sun and my armsand back id be doing exactly that.





yea yea, i know... but its just me... not futile really tho, because everyone who sees me

detaiing always ask how much... they get real interested... and since mybusiness is around the corner (on the come up) thats a good thing that makes me motivated.



the benz... an 03 c230 black... unforgiving... if i had pics you would cringe
 
I fight the swirls with my rotary, wool pad, 3M swirl remover at 3000 RPM, soon as I am satisfied that they disappeared, I switch to my green / pink foam pad depending on how much I grinded into the clearcoat and apply a sealant (Meg's, 3m whatever) again 3000 RPM. Finally carnauba goes on with the yellow pad and orbital. To buff off I use an MF bonnet on top of the foam pad with QD at 6000 RPM. Meg's FI to wipe down a final time finishes the job...



Hope it helps to consider a bit.... Good luck...
 
Throw on a glaze and top it with a carnauba. Get your camera out and set it so takes a overexposed photo in the sun. Make sure the car is on white cement and post on the forum!!! Also be sure your about 5 feet from the car when you do this. :xyxthumbs
 
doged said:
Throw on a glaze and top it with a carnauba. Get your camera out and set it so takes a overexposed photo in the sun. Make sure the car is on white cement and post on the forum!!! Also be sure your about 5 feet from the car when you do this. :xyxthumbs
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thanks, this would be helpful if i needed to learn photography... :LOLOL
 
doged said:
Throw on a glaze and top it with a carnauba. Get your camera out and set it so takes a overexposed photo in the sun. Make sure the car is on white cement and post on the forum!!! Also be sure your about 5 feet from the car when you do this. :xyxthumbs
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How do you overexpose with a digital camera with no setting option whatsoever ?? Even if it was possible I don' t have a clue of how to do it. Hey gotta learn it, I can brag on the click & brag section...
 
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