Can you tell the Difference (pic)

wannafbody said:
but one also has to remember that just because it looks the same and smells the same doesn't mean that 2 items have the same ingredients or percentages of ingredients
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I have FACTS sir.:)
 
chpsk8 said:
Your kidding right? Toyota is very proud to be the owner of Lexus and in fact early Lexus models had Toyota etched into all the glass.
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:think: My Acura says "Honda" in the glass; I think that has more to do with their glass factories than with any conscious "ownership" marking.





chpsk8 said:
Now lets all step back to when Saturn came out and GM flat out refused to acknowledge that they were the financial and engineering backer for them. Now that was a ruse!
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Um...as has been proven in another thread, that was because some people automatically presume GM=suck, so they didn't want to cloud anything with Saturn. In the beginning, Saturn shared nothing from any GM parts bins, and they, rightly and smartly distanced themselves from the parent company. Saturn failed to compete with Toyota and Honda as intended, and was sucked back into the GM mainstream, to their detriment.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
:think: My Acura says "Honda" in the glass; I think that has more to do with their glass factories than with any conscious "ownership" marking.
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...and all over the motor and seat belts and the owners manual and...



The writings on the wall with the cars in most cases. Some of them are not so known but just a little research will help you find out that the Phantom is a BMW product. Can you KNOW for sure what boutique products came from where?
 
Er...my point was that if Lexus glass used to say "Toyota", it wasn't because Toyota was trying to advertise that Lexus was a Toyota product; more like it shared windows with a Toyota, which were made in the Toyota glass plant.
 
wannafbody said:
but one also has to remember that just because it looks the same and smells the same doesn't mean that 2 items have the same ingredients or percentages of ingredients
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Well the picture i posted is only the begining. There are many places that are buying their supplies from one source with private lebeling. :think:
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Er...my point was that if Lexus glass used to say "Toyota", it wasn't because Toyota was trying to advertise that Lexus was a Toyota product; more like it shared windows with a Toyota, which were made in the Toyota glass plant.
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No, probably not an attempt to advertise but they don't deny the brand at all. If you have a computer and an internet connection you can find out in 5 minutes or less that they're the same company. If that doesn't work take a look at the Land Cruiser and the LX.



Additional, if they didn't want the glass to say Toyota on it I'm sure it could easily not have.
 
I just bought 3 type of Microfiber detergents and they all smell the same. Difference is some are different colors . :hmph:



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:doh but the resutls are also equal.
 
I'd bet that they even have the same instructions too. The first time I used Charlie's Soap my first thought was Micro-Restore. I have NO knowledge if they're the same product at all. I will say that you can get a gallon of Charlie's for $20 and the results are the same from what I can tell.
 
wow im sure that the Micro-restore Pinnacle Micro Rejuvenator is also the same.
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MicroRestore and the Pinnacle product are quite different actually.



The Lexus ES300 is the same car as the Toyota Camry.
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Nonsense. It has completely different engineering and build quality including better paint and sound isolation. A few years back the cars shared an engine and transmission but Lexus changed that with refinements to both. My wife has a Camry which I detail and I have an ES330 so I should know. There are good examples of rebranding but Lexus is not one of them.
 
SilverLexus said:
Nonsense. It has completely different engineering and build quality including better paint and sound isolation. A few years back the cars shared an engine and transmission but Lexus changed that with refinements to both. My wife has a Camry which I detail and I have an ES330 so I should know. There are good examples of rebranding but Lexus is not one of them.
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Built on adjacent assembly lines? They share the same basic underpinnings and engines. Sound isolation, paint and other goodies are all part of the up sell.
 
SpoiledMan said:
I'd bet that they even have the same instructions too. The first time I used Charlie's Soap my first thought was Micro-Restore. I have NO knowledge if they're the same product at all. I will say that you can get a gallon of Charlie's for $20 and the results are the same from what I can tell.
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Hey where do you guys get Charlies soap from ? do you use the liquid from ? sorry for the 20 questions.
 
SpoiledMan said:
Built on adjacent assembly lines? They share the same basic underpinnings and engines. Sound isolation, paint and other goodies are all part of the up sell.
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I don't know this as fact, but if the Camry and ES are the same car, it's only the chassis. And that is done all over the place. A ton of cars share the same chassis (G35 and 350Z, Murano and Altima, FX35 and G35, Eclipse and Talon (when they both were around)), it's what they do from that point forward that makes the cars different. If you really want to say the Camry is the same as the ES, go drive them, you'll change your mind.



That's how car manufacturer's keep costs down and allow us to get cars at cheaper prices. This is a bad thing?



Same with anything else. It's obviously a little different when it comes to a $3 product compared to a $9 product. But if the guy who is selling it for $9 can keep selling them while the same product is sold somewhere different for $3, good for him. And who is to say the $9 business isn't better than the $3 business, the towels could always be in stock, better customer service, better buying experience, etc, that have added to his total costs as a business so his products cost more.



There's more to running a business than stocking the products in question.
 
erik7 said:
I don't know this as fact, but if the Camry and ES are the same car, it's only the chassis. And that is done all over the place. A ton of cars share the same chassis (G35 and 350Z, Murano and Altima, FX35 and G35, Eclipse and Talon (when they both were around)), it's what they do from that point forward that makes the cars different. If you really want to say the Camry is the same as the ES, go drive them, you'll change your mind.



That's how car manufacturer's keep costs down and allow us to get cars at cheaper prices. This is a bad thing?



Same with anything else. It's obviously a little different when it comes to a $3 product compared to a $9 product. But if the guy who is selling it for $9 can keep selling them while the same product is sold somewhere different for $3, good for him. And who is to say the $9 business isn't better than the $3 business, the towels could always be in stock, better customer service, better buying experience, etc, that have added to his total costs as a business so his products cost more.



There's more to running a business than stocking the products in question.
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I hope everyone has read Erik's post above. This is exactly why Toyota does not advertise that it owns Lexus. Erik is clearly very unhappy that people are comparing his Lexus which he paid xxx dollars more for to his Toyota. He perceives that the Lexus brand has more value than the Toyota brand. Part of what convinced him was the better paint and dealer service.
 
erik7 said:
I don't know this as fact, but if the Camry and ES are the same car, it's only the chassis. And that is done all over the place. A ton of cars share the same chassis (G35 and 350Z, Murano and Altima, FX35 and G35, Eclipse and Talon (when they both were around)), it's what they do from that point forward that makes the cars different. If you really want to say the Camry is the same as the ES, go drive them, you'll change your mind.



That's how car manufacturer's keep costs down and allow us to get cars at cheaper prices. This is a bad thing?



Same with anything else. It's obviously a little different when it comes to a $3 product compared to a $9 product. But if the guy who is selling it for $9 can keep selling them while the same product is sold somewhere different for $3, good for him. And who is to say the $9 business isn't better than the $3 business, the towels could always be in stock, better customer service, better buying experience, etc, that have added to his total costs as a business so his products cost more.



There's more to running a business than stocking the products in question.
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Actually the Guy with the 3$ towels even sent me a free 4* tire gel. & has awesome Customer Service. you can buy a Double cheese burger from the 1$ menu or you can buy a big mac for 3.50$ with a little extra bread. :think: same meat :dance
 
Ok, so where can I get this great deal on look-a-like cobra towels? I would like to make the comparison for myself.
 
SpoiledMan said:
Difference here is that you are informed or can read and be informed. Where can you find and KNOW that product A is even similar to product B let alone the same. I'll say that there are some out there and that's it. :dance
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I'd cast my lot with SpoiledMan on this one.

Product disclosure for major purcheses such as cars is much easier to find.

Even non-auto enthusiasts are aware that rebadging and parts-swapping goes on in the auto industry. I won't go so far as to say there's no difference b/w a Toyota and a Lexus, but there are obvious similarities....performance NOT being one of them , however.



But with detailing supplies....?

Let's face it, we're all hardcore product junkies and few, if any of us, have any REAL idea of what comes from where or from whom.



Best advice , I guess , is to make the most informed decision you can, experiment, find what works for you and go from there.



In the absence of knowledge , perception is reality.
 
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