can you layer P21S?
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shaunthebadboy
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i dont see why not. look either on the label on the back of the little can the wax is in or on the waxpaper sheet found inside the can and it says to let cure for 24hrs before applying another coat.
MongooseGA
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It can be layered. Quite easily. But, with my S100, I don't notice any aesthetic difference past 2-3 coats, within a day or two or each other.
Yes! My beater's finish took off after 4 coats. I'd say give yourself between 3 and up to 8 coats for a deep, consistent shine. Do not put on too many deposits at one time. You should go slow, so about a coat or two at a time should be good. If you are trying to beat the cold weather, then you should just put on two or three coats and call it quits until the spring.
i thought a wax couldn't be layered? sealents can but i read that wax's can't be layered. now obviously if its been a couple weeks and you put on another "coat" of wax, its going to look shinier beucase most of the first "coat" has worn off. can we get some clarification??
Vernon
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imported_Burlyq
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YES YES YES you can layer, just wait 24 hours for third and each subsequent coat. I use that product about 70% of the time as finishing product, I always put two coats on to start.
imported_Burlyq
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I've never had any color issues with p21s. Obviously you wouldn't want to wax a stained surface.
One of the reasons I had bought P21S in the first place was because it's so clear, not yellow like old school carnauba's. The store locally sells nothing but waxes and polishes, seat covers etc. and they were trying to sell me some zymol carnauba that cost like 250$. I kept trying to go cheaper and they were tryin to go higher.... I ended up with P21S for about 20$ and have been very happy with it ever since. I thought maybe it could be layered since it isn't considered a cleaner wax.
imported_Interspy24
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Burlyq said:
I'm not so sure about layering carnuba. I'm about 95% sure that another layer is just going cover spots you missed. It's not going to "layer" on top of the other like a polymer/sealant. I guess it would be safe it say you would be "refreshing" it maybe, but you're more likely making up for any diminishing of the product.
I used to use s100 and absolutely love it. Incredibly easy to use and provides a great shine in no time. Only probably is with a black car that sits outside 24/7 and 95 degree temps, it didn't "last" all that long.
After about 3-4 weeks, the wax had noticeably decreased. I'm not referring to just beading, qd was harder to use and dirt wouldn't wash off nearly as quickly. I got around this by waxing every two weeks, but now I use upp and have never looked back.
Accumulator
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The whole "can you layer carnaubas" thing remains unresolved; some of us believe you can and others say you can't. Some waxes are *made* to be layered, BTW, but anyhow, try "layering" whatever product you're using and see if *you* find it worthwhile. Maybe look into the "spitshine" technique.
01bluecls- I have had "wax buildup" in the past, but it was on a garagequeen that got waxed a *lot*. It's not really something to worry about. Just make sure you're applying wax to a clean surface and you'll be fine. Can't do it forever without using a paintcleaner (or doing a good claying) but you can do it quite a bit.
01bluecls- I have had "wax buildup" in the past, but it was on a garagequeen that got waxed a *lot*. It's not really something to worry about. Just make sure you're applying wax to a clean surface and you'll be fine. Can't do it forever without using a paintcleaner (or doing a good claying) but you can do it quite a bit.
imported_Interspy24
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Sorry guys, I wasn't aware of this. I'll start looking into it and see what happens.
Accumulator, thanks for letting some light on this subject. Your responses are always helpful.
Accumulator, thanks for letting some light on this subject. Your responses are always helpful.
i no longer have the little paper that came with my p21s but I'll search their website for some information. Maybe I can write to them. I think since it's not a cleaner wax it will not remove each previous layer, but at the same time will not have anything to stick to. My guess is that it will only layer maybe 2-3 coats.
Accumulator
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gto78 said:
Heh heh, maybe I'm getting cynical, but I bet they'll say "sure it layers, use that jar up by applying it as often as possible and then buy some more"
IMO if a product *will* layer for 2-3 coats, then it'll probably layer for even more than that. I would imagine that it either does build up or else it self-strips through solvent/mechanical action. But whether or not you'll notice any benefit is still another matter.
Simple test- try to layer product on part of a car but not all of it. Write down notes about which areas you did/didn't do it to. Compare how they do. If you can't discern a difference in appearance, longevity, slickness, *something*, then you're probably wasting your time and product. But hey, even in that case, it's *your* time and product...do whatever makes you happy.
MattZ28
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gto78 - Where are you getting it? Driver's Seat in Stuart?
imported_Burlyq
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I will do a test. I just did a multi product detail on one truck, but the sides of the truck had the klasse twins. I'll put one coat on one side and two coats 24 hrs apart and see if I can't track it. It would save me a lot of trouble if i find there's no difference because I always at least try to layer this product.
01bluecls said:
First of all.....
I have seen the result of exactly what you are saying. This happens when you apply wax many times, and as it accumulates, unfortunately if your surface has contaminants and exposed to wet weather, the waxed surface starts showing some dullness or cloudiness. This "discoloration" is attributed to oxidation of the paint surface and wax.
Second:
A pure carnauba can and will layer. Been there, done that. The term "layering" if it is looked at in terms of putting down measurable layers when you talk about wax, may or may not be accurate if you are trying to physically measure layers (since a wax's layer once buffed is too thin to measure with the eye alone). In terms of appearance, depth, and volume, I have seen (and recorded with pics) noticeable differences between light "layerings" (1 to 3 coats), and heavier layerings (8-18 coats). If you can manage to accumulate the amount of "layerings" of wax on a clean surface, without letting the paint get exposed to excessive rain, dust or airborne contaminants, then (depending on the wax), you can achieve a deeper look in your finish.
Third:
There is such a thing as too much wax. This I have observed as well when you have in your waxed finish signs of haze, streaking, and in general a lack of an even finish in the waxed surface. I have also found that you can control and moderate streaking and haze if you apply wax on a clean! paint surface, and you use a QD in moderate amounts between several layerings of wax. In time, even with a well applied, deep layered and absolutely well finished waxed surface, the wax MUST be removed. If you do not remove the wax, in particular after at least a year on the surface, then you will start to see dullness and oxidation in your paint, or at the very least, a less vibrant color of your paint, regardless of the amount of wax that's on it.
My peak in terms of my optimum goal in a year's waxed surface is between 8 to 15 coats of slowly applied and cured wax, that's been properly applied and buffed to a shine on an absolutely CLEAN paint surface.
MattZ28 said:
Yeah Matt, I got the P21S at driver's seat. I go there every once in a while, they're a little expensive compared to online, but it's nice to buy without waiting for the shipping, and besides after I pay for shipping it costs about the same. They ordered the PC for me, and in fact had it special delivered for me in one afternoon! They had a source in palm beach (who i believe is autogeek.net) and had them deliver the pc along with some pads for me. worked out great.