Can ONR be used WITHOUT causing marring?

Rob Tomlin said:
Yes.



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I've got a regular with a C6 Z06 that I have only polished once and it is still about 99% defect free. I wash it every month (he doesn't touch it), the car is tracked and driven in the rain. Posted pics a while back, just got back from my detailing trip to Arizona so I'll look for the pictures tomorrow.
 
How are you ONR'ers doing wheels / barrels / calipers / wheelwells on dirty vehicles without flusing them with high pressure water? Assuming that the vehicle is not regularly detailed and is pretty dirty.
 
David Fermani said:
How are you ONR'ers doing wheels / barrels / calipers / wheelwells on dirty vehicles without flusing them with high pressure water? Assuming that the vehicle is not regularly detailed and is pretty dirty.
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I've never used high pressure water on wheels. P21S gel doesn't require it. Just a good rinsing.
 
I do this most of the time, but only if washing and not polishing:



1 gallon sprayer- ONR mist over entire car

Mf mitt or MF towels with ONR (one bucket)

Wipe top to bottom- sometimes 2x in some areas

Detail spray entire car- paint, not glass

MF towel dry- WW most of the time



If claying or polishing, not pre-mist shot.



Now, the marring is not caused by ONR- the product can't really cause marring- if you sprayed it on with DI water mix and walked away, you would not have marring. Therefore, it has to be process or process + mitt + towel combination.



I like the MF mitts simply by the way mf works- I do not use any wash mitts in the traditional sense. I have seen the ulti-mitts used as well, but for me, they take too much solution.



The pre-spray really helps break down "stuff" on the paint and makes the 2nd pass with the mitts much smoother.



There are many videos online showing the use as you all know. Perhaps the marring is just the paint being sensitive- always hard to tell as there is never a perfect control group in detailing. Would be nice to have us all at a workshop someday with many bays in which to try all these different methods and practices. No sponsors, just detailers for detailers!



Rob
 
I simply pre-rinse at the high pressure wash. This needs to be done regardless (at least here in Colorado) as the wheel wells are full of sand/5% salt mixture that ONR won't ever touch. In the summer though I can see myself just using the ONR with nothing else if I'm not in the mood to wash it in the driveway using the traditional method.



I just finished "washing" my car tonight (8F outside) using ONR and it once again did an incredible job. I love this stuff and am now kicking myself for not using it years earlier when I first heard about it.
 
Scottwax said:
I've got a regular with a C6 Z06 that I have only polished once and it is still about 99% defect free. I wash it every month (he doesn't touch it), the car is tracked and driven in the rain.
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Just to clarify for us newbs. The reason you believe you're not getting marring is because you wash it fairly frequently? The time between washes being once a month.



Or, you could go even longer without it marring? If nothings been done to your paint since you paid $60 to have it detailed a few years ago and a few times pressure spraying it down with water, don't use ONR the first time you wash it?



Also, this marring thing. It's not a problem on really dirty clear coated wheels is it? I was hoping to get to cleaning some really dirty wheels this week with Optimum Power Clean and ONR.



And, WCD, thanks for your process. I've seen a post in another thread where someone was real excited that he figured out to pre-spray with SCGD before washing. Said he was delighted at how much pre-spraying with it cut down on how much agitating he had to do while washing. I figure using an APC to pre-spray would be even better than ONR...



But, WCD, you're not suggesting that pre-spraying with the ONR, you're not suggesting that will get rid of this marring people are complaining about are you?
 
levander said:
Just to clarify for us newbs. The reason you believe you're not getting marring is because you wash it fairly frequently? The time between washes being once a month.
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I could wash it everyday and not mar it. I went two years between polishing on my own car and I try to wash it weekly-plus it is an outside car. The only reason I even had to polish it was that I didn't have a rotary the first time I did and wanted to get the deeper stuff I didn't get the first time.



Between QEW and now ONR, I've washed around 11,000 or so cars using rinseless washes. I get noticeably better results overall than I do with conventional washing (which I only do when I absolutely have to, like a vehicle caked in mud). The biggest problem I have with conventional washing is getting the car dried off before it starts spotting on 100 degree days. By the time you get the top dried off, the sides are already mostly dry. Absolutely not an issue with a rinseless wash. Plus, the polymers in ONR (and to a lesser extent, the carnauba in QEW) add back in some gloss, slickness and restore (or enhance) beading.
 
I could wash it everyday and not mar it. I went two years between polishing on my own car and I try to wash it weekly-plus it is an outside car. The only reason I even had to polish it was that I didn't have a rotary the first time I did and wanted to get the deeper stuff I didn't get the first time.
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Washing it frequently with ONR isn't what people in this thread are saying causes marring. It's when you wait a really long time between washes and the car is really dirty.



If a car wasn't caked in mud, but it had been a year since anyone had bothered to wash it, would you wash it with ONR then?
 
I don't think the answer to the OP questions is as simple as yes or no.



-Location is a huge factor IMO. ONR may work well for those who live down south, but up here in the snow and salt covered roads a pre-rinse is a must. At that point is ONR really faster?



-Some paints are simply more prone to marring than others....my Acura being one of them. ONR works safely in the summer when I only have a light dust from a few days of driving, but it marred the heck out of my paint in the winter when I didn't first rinse with the pressure washer.



-For cars that haven't been washed in several month or never really maintained well, ONR simply does not have the cleaning power of traditional car soaps. For cars like this a traditional wash is far more effective.









I love using ONR when it's the better option and it will always have a place in my arsenal, but it will never replace a traditional wash for me. What works for one person doesn't always work for everyone else either. I say give it a try and see what you think. ;)





Rasky
 
levander said:
Washing it frequently with ONR isn't what people in this thread are saying causes marring. It's when you wait a really long time between washes and the car is really dirty.



If a car wasn't caked in mud, but it had been a year since anyone had bothered to wash it, would you wash it with ONR then?
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My car was really nasty from the sand they use on the bridges and overpasses here plus grime from a nearly 1100 mile drive to Phoenix and I had no marring from washing it with ONR using the single bucket method. In fact, I used the left over ONR from the Mustang I had just washed (did this when I was in Phoenix this past week). Single bucket method too.



No idea about vehicles with road salt but it couldn't be much worse than the sand they use here. :nixweiss:
 
David, I can't speak for the others, but I have a NOMAD portable washer that has about the same pressure as a water hose. I just use my wheel cleaner as normal and then rinse with the NOMAD. The water in the NOMAD is RO with ONR added at wash strength.

David Fermani said:
How are you ONR'ers doing wheels / barrels / calipers / wheelwells on dirty vehicles without flusing them with high pressure water? Assuming that the vehicle is not regularly detailed and is pretty dirty.
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My first ever wash using ONR was with my wife's black Maxima. It was caked with winter road grime (Colorado uses a mixture of 95%sand/5% salt). It also had salt all over the wheels and lower side panels as her work dumps tons of it in the parking lot. There was literally sand sitting on the lower rocker panels, so much so that I could wisp it off with my finger.



I used the ONR at 1oz. per 2 gallons as per the instructions. I used just one bucket, no second rinse bucket. The car came out looking better than when I use the hose and bucket method. I was surprised as Hell at how good it worked. The bucket water was coal black when I got done too. I never checked to see if I got any micro marring but I can say that there were no new swirls or scratches.



I have a question for the people using two buckets. Do you mean you use two buckets with ONR in them or one with ONR and one with just water? If it's the latter I'd be worried about diluting the ONR too much on the wash mitt. I even wonder if I'm diluting it too much when I do a pre-rinse at the high pressure wash and the hood, roof, and trunk have a lot of water on them still.
 
levander said:
If a car wasn't caked in mud, but it had been a year since anyone had bothered to wash it, would you wash it with ONR then?
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Yep it certainly could be washed with ONR but used more like a tradition wash ie plenty of of surplus mixture flushing the dirt off.

I`ve even added a touch of traditional shampoo such as Z1 Perls if I thought it necessery
 
You guys are very convincing, but the only thing that has me scratching (no pun) my head is what to do with the wheels. My car has intricate BBS wheels and Brembo brakes. As you all know, Brembos create a lot of dust. If I were to wash my car with ONR (and not get out the hose at all), would cleaning the wheels be a slow and time consuming process?



Do you use traditional wheel cleaning brushes with ONR? How do you wipe the barrel clean? TIA
 
RobD said:
You guys are very convincing, but the only thing that has me scratching (no pun) my head is what to do with the wheels. My car has intricate BBS wheels and Brembo brakes. As you all know, Brembos create a lot of dust. If I were to wash my car with ONR (and not get out the hose at all), would cleaning the wheels be a slow and time consuming process?



Do you use traditional wheel cleaning brushes with ONR? How do you wipe the barrel clean? TIA
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Scottwax has a video that can be found in the http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/113318-onr-definitive-thread.html and I listed my method on page one. Both are effective and yield pro results.
 
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