Bush or Kerry?

[ntwrkguy1]

I'm a registered Republican, but can find fault with my own party. However, Kerry does little or nothing for me. More frightening is the prospect of Billary running in '08 without strong opposition.......



In a word, politics suck. But, politics are also what makes the world go 'round.

 

[Auto Care USA]

Time to trim the BUSHES. First the president, them the gov of Florida. These guys are all for the rich. I haved run my small business for over 30 years and everytime a Republican is president the economy has sucked. The 90s under Clinton weather you liked him or not were great years. My business quadruplied. The last 4 years I have had to work much harder to get people to spend their money. Although Kerry may not be the ideal candidate our economy , wewill be much better off with a Dem in office in 2005 no matter who it is.

 

[Scottwax]

Time to trim the BUSHES. First the president, them the gov of Florida. These guys are all for the rich. I haved run my small business for over 30 years and everytime a Republican is president the economy has sucked. The 90s under Clinton weather you liked him or not were great years. My business quadruplied. The last 4 years I have had to work much harder to get people to spend their money. Although Kerry may not be the ideal candidate our economy , wewill be much better off with a Dem in office in 2005 no matter who it is.

In case you haven't noticed, Bush inherited a declining economy then we had 9/11 which decimated the airline and travel industry. Now the economy is roaring back big time. My high end customers have been on a buying spree and that benefits everyone since people are needed to make more products, build more houses and provide services, like detailing. It also means I get to detail stuff like this:

Besides, my success depends a lot more on me than who is in office. The President has very little effect on the economy, save for tax/regulation/money and trade policy. 95% of my success is because of me. Bush was Governor in Texas since I started my business and it has grown like crazy over the last 10 years, but I did it.



BTW, remember the economy under Carter? The misery index?

 

[Glossequation]

With a remark like that, you sound as dumb as that pumpkin head Rush Limbaugh, and I consider myself more towards the Right (particularly on foriegn policy - hence my signature!).



I would liked to have seen a McCain / Lieberman ticket. Two of my "favorite" Senators. Put Sen. Richard Lugar (R) Indiana as Sec. of State and roll out former Sen. Sam Nunn (D) Georgia as Sec. of Defense.



Check this site out to see where you're politicians stand on particular issues. It's an informative site: http://www.issues2000.org/default.htm

Lieberman as President? That's a good one.



So you agree with Democrats and cutting their defense spending? That's great, maybe if Clinton wasn't in office, and didn't ignore the warning shots from terrorists earlier in the 90's (see the first WTC bombing, the USS Cole bombing), maybe, just maybe we would have been better prepared for the debacle of September 11th. Instead, we let a bunch of bearded jagoffs learn how to fly a plane into a building.

 

[NozeBleedSpeed]

Well Im over 40, so Im bound by experience, history and wisdom to vote Republican. I wouldnt vote Democrat even if the Bush family was Democrats. An a honest but overspending Bush is still leaps and bounds above any sneaky, lieing liberal. At least a Republican will tell you what hes doing. The Bushs' have always done what they truly think is the right thing for the country. The good thing about having a wealthy family in office is that they arent for sale. You just cant buy a dollar with a dime.

 

[bronze2006]

PLEASE DONT VOTE FOR BUSH, kerry is not the best but a lot better, Bush will run our country and is in the process and the next generation will have huge tax burdens due to his deficitat, I actively follow politics and well I dont have time to state my case, Bush is horrible and Kerry is not bad, I am shocked that Bush is winning in the poll at this website!



I cannot believe someone said Bush was honest, they are obviously very misinformed probably by biased media, yes media is biased, the Bush Administration lies through their teeth constantly, and over-exaggerates events to an amazing degree, Bush's speeches may seem good and nice but in reality his ACTIONS are far different from his promises.

 

[Glossequation]

Time to trim the BUSHES. First the president, them the gov of Florida. These guys are all for the rich. I haved run my small business for over 30 years and everytime a Republican is president the economy has sucked. The 90s under Clinton weather you liked him or not were great years. My business quadruplied. The last 4 years I have had to work much harder to get people to spend their money. Although Kerry may not be the ideal candidate our economy , wewill be much better off with a Dem in office in 2005 no matter who it is.

Dude, if you're joking with this statement, then cool, but you think Bush being in office has driven people away from your business? My God, take a business class and learn that expansion and contraction are cyclical and that a President can only help guide an economy with decisions, he cannot control it. After 8 wonderful years under Reagan, the economy had to pull back (GB Sr.). After those 4 years, another expansion and its only by coincidence that the tubby chubby chaser from Arkansas received an economy on the rebound. Simpleton's such as yourself who truly believe the credit goes to Clinton for the expansion in the 90's do not know much about economics. Fact is, Clinton rode a wave in the 90's and it may be the only thing keeping him from being a complete failure as President.



I agree with Scottwax..



When was the last time anyone actually received a hard check in the mail from your President? Remember the $300 back a couple years ago?

 

[Glossequation]

PLEASE DONT VOTE FOR BUSH, kerry is not the best but a lot better, Bush will run our country and is in the process and the next generation will have huge tax burdens due to his deficitat, I actively follow politics and well I dont have time to state my case, Bush is horrible and Kerry is not bad, I am shocked that Bush is winning in the poll at this website!



I cannot believe someone said Bush was honest, they are obviously very misinformed probably by biased media, yes media is biased, the Bush Administration lies through their teeth constantly, and over-exaggerates events to an amazing degree, Bush's speeches may seem good and nice but in reality his ACTIONS are far different from his promises.

Misinformed? That may be you if you do not realize that the media (and Hollywood for that matter) are liberally biased.

 

[Scottwax]

PLEASE DONT VOTE FOR BUSH, kerry is not the best but a lot better, Bush will run our country and is in the process and the next generation will have huge tax burdens due to his deficitat, I actively follow politics and well I dont have time to state my case, Bush is horrible and Kerry is not bad, I am shocked that Bush is winning in the poll at this website!

You don't think Kerry will raise taxes? He definitely won't reign in spending. Tax cuts always mean more revenue to the treasury. It worked for JFK and for Reagan. Controlling spending is the key and while I think Bush spends too much on the domestic side, it is nowhere near what Kerry will spend.

I cannot believe someone said Bush was honest, they are obviously very misinformed probably by biased media, yes media is biased, the Bush Administration lies through their teeth constantly, and over-exaggerates events to an amazing degree, Bush's speeches may seem good and nice but in reality his ACTIONS are far different from his promises.

Care to give examples?

 

[bronze2006]

I find it hard to believe that Kerry would spend more then Bush, as Bush has achieved the record for spending in a presidency. Yes I love Bush economics start the term with a nice surplus, and end it with a gigantic deficit.



On his lies, I could refer you to some websites for more in depth stuff, but some of the lighter stuff includes the "Mission Accomplished" sign that was proffesionally made and put in place by the White House, the Jessica Lynch story - she was used for propoganda and it turned out she didnt even destroy the Iraqi mortar squad it was a guy who did not get much credit. I really hope you dont watch FOX, because that is the most biased White House controlled station. Think the whitehouse doesnt control the news? They control media access to press confrences and inside information so you better do what the WH says if you want the news. Also he contridicts himself, he says he is about improving the enviroment, yet he lets high-polluting industrial factories govern-themselves and decide what they think is a safe level of pollutants for the enviroment (and their pocketbooks), but I really am talking too much, Im busy, but more tomorrow.

 

[bronze2006]

Misinformed? That may be you if you do not realize that the media (and Hollywood for that matter) are liberally biased.

Hollywood is liberally biased, but most other mass media is not.

 

[Scottwax]

I find it hard to believe that Kerry would spend more then Bush, as Bush has achieved the record for spending in a presidency. Yes I love Bush economics start the term with a nice surplus, and end it with a gigantic deficit.

As a percentage of the GDP, the current deficit is about average for the last 30 or so years. The surplus was all on paper and did include SS revenue, which accounted for most of the surplus. Bush has had to rebuild the military much like Reagan had to do after Carter. That does cost money. The lower revenues to the treasury from the recession inherited from Clinton also helps fuel deficits.



Tell me, do you know what your personal deficit is compared to your income? I'll bet it is more than the 4.5% the federal government's is.

On his lies, I could refer you to some websites for more in depth stuff

I do not consider moveon.org an unbiased nor accurate site.

some of the lighter stuff includes the "Mission Accomplished" sign that was proffesionally made and put in place by the White House

Or Clinton finding the stones on an otherwise stone free Normandy Beach and making a cross out of them? C'mon, all presidents use such imagery.

the Jessica Lynch story - she was used for propoganda and it turned out she didnt even destroy the Iraqi mortar squad it was a guy who did not get much credit.

And you know for a fact the story came out of the White House?

I really hope you dont watch FOX, because that is the most biased White House controlled station. Think the whitehouse doesnt control the news? They control media access to press confrences and inside information so you better do what the WH says if you want the news.

:lol That's pretty funny considering all I see are Democrats bashing Bush on the news channels.

Also he contridicts himself, he says he is about improving the enviroment, yet he lets high-polluting industrial factories govern-themselves and decide what they think is a safe level of pollutants for the enviroment (and their pocketbooks), but I really am talking too much, Im busy, but more tomorrow.

You really think the vast majority of factory owners want to be known as gross polluters? They have to breathe the air too, you know. They don't carry around their own personal air supply. Industry should have some input on pollution regulations, just as enviromental groups should. If a 95% solution costs $10 million (for example) and 97% solution costs $100 million, then the extra 2% isn't worth 10 times the cost.

 

[Sveta]

Bush SEEMS to believe the stuff he says. I like that. Some of his policies don't thrill me but I want the "bad guys" to get what's coming to them. Kerry says so much one way and then another that I get the funny feeling I'm being had..... but by WHICH Kerry?

All this political posturing by Kerry about HOW WE GOT INTO THE WAR is like looking up a dead cat's a-- to see what killed it. HE VOTED FOR IT, we're there now, let's ge it done THE RIGHT WAY and bring the troops home victorious. If not, we dishonor the dead and wounded by making their sacrifices meaningless. Lots of good people, Brits, Poles, Ukrainians, Japanese, etc. are all part of this global war on terrorism. They are siding us in the common cause.

AND...I also believe it's time the "bad guys" know somebody in Washington is pissed off and might do crazzzzzy things like take down two oppressive dictarships....just 'cause they wouldn't play by the rules of civilized men. The "Western Civiliation Haters" will never respect us nor love us....but they better never stop fearing us.



:usa :brit :ca

 

[Gekko]

THE DEMOCRAT DOCTRINE



1. HIGHER TAXES FOR WORKERS AND INVESTORS. 50% IS NOT ENOUGH.

2. REPEAL DEATH PENALTY.

3. REPEAL PATRIOT ACT.

4. SLASH DEFENSE AND CIA AND FBI AND HOMELAND SECURITY SPENDING.

5. INCREASE SOCIAL PROGRAMS LIKE WELFARE AND CREATE ANOTHER IN NATIONAL HEALTH CARE.

6. ABORTION ON-DEMAND - ANYBODY, ANYTIME, ANYWHERE, ANY WAY.

7. SAME-SEX GAY MARRIAGES.

8. UNLIMITED LAWSUIT JUDGEMENTS - NOT TORT REFORM.

9. $50/HOUR MINIMUM WAGE TO DRIVE BUSINESSES AWAY.

10. HIGHER TAXES FOR BUSINESS TO DRIVE THEM AWAY.

11. MORE FEDERAL REGULATION.

12. IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL FROM AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ AND BECOME ISOLATIONISTS.

13. DEFER TO FRANCE AND GERMANY ON ALL DEFENSE ISSUES.

 

[locutus]

i would vote for porky pig for president before i would vote for bush. 530 dead american soldiers and for what? bad economy, budget surplus gone and in it's place a huge defict. disgraceful environmental practices, giveaways to big corporations. bush has done nothing but lie to the american people and i for one have had enough. wmd? haven't seen any yet. haliburton and big oil companies getting richer while i'm getting poorer. kerry all the way! bush's numbers are getting worse every day. come november he will be gone, gone gone! and i will rejoice in that day!

 

[locutus]

to geko: #1 corporations only pay on average 14% indivuduals average 25% thanks to the republicans #2. absolutely. it is immoral to say murder is wrong than allow the state to murder. also capital punishment has been consistently shown not to be a deterrent. it just satisfy's peoples blood lust. #3 absolutely, i find it offensive that the government can check out what books i've been reading, where and how i'm spending my own money and look at my medical records without a court order. we're getting close to totalitarianism here. #4 bush says teachers need accountability, not more money. so does the cia and fbi. #5 over eight million children in this country do not have access to quality health care and medicine. #6 absolutely. stay out of my bedroom and my doctors office. that is between me, my doctor, and god. no one forces anyone to have an abortion. #7 how is this hurting you? during the 50's interracial marriages were prohibited by states citing the bible as their reason. america is based on freedom for the minority as well as the majority. #8 one again the republicans side with insurance corporations instead of a case by case basis. #9-13 what are you smoking? no democrats advocate those positions.

 

[Mr. Clean]

Way to go KevinA, look what a simple question can lead to

Originally posted by blackcaraddict

Liberals/Democrats can be blamed for letting the country become what it is today, with all the illegal aliens running around, gay marriages, cutting defense spending…

LOL, where do you get your facts from? I believe that over the last almost three decades we have had in the White House 8 years of RR (which was he liberal or Democrat), 4 years Bush I (he must have been the one RR wasn’t), 8 years Clinton, and now 4 years Bush II (who knows what the heck he is) Oh yeah and he has had a Republican majority in the House and Senate. Counting on all fingers and toes…16 years of Republicans to 8 years of Democrat(s), and for 6 of those Democrat years the Republicans held the majority in the House and Senate.



You can forget about worrying about illegal aliens running around, the man you seemingly favor will make them all legal. Check those facts.

Originally posted by luke667

ppl blame bush for the iraq war...it was somethin that needed to be done...

And the reason it “needed to be done� Hopefully you can explain, because the Bush reasons (WoMD, terror, etc.) all ring hollow. The U.S. doesn’t really have of preemptive strikes/waging war to displace even the most despicable of tyrants. If we do, there are some more out there (Congo), alas they have no oil.

Originally posted by NozeBleedSpeed

...An a honest but overspending Bush is still leaps and bounds above any sneaky, lieing liberal.

I really don’t know how you can characterize Bush as honest, and label liberals as liars?

Originally posted by NozeBleedSpeed

The Bushs' have always done what they truly think is the right thing for the country.

Very interesting, but doubtful. If Bush were truly interested in doing the right thing for the country, he would have stepped down and allowed the Republican party to put forth a much more worthy ticket.

Originally posted by NozeBleedSpeed

The good thing about having a wealthy family in office is that they arent for sale. You just cant buy a dollar with a dime.

Shhhh. Don’t tell that to Ken Lay (Enron)

Originally posted by blackcaraddict

... After 8 wonderful years under Reagan,

Were you around for those 8 years? Wonderful in whose eyes? Economically speaking…does the term Voodoo Economics ring a bell? It wasn’t labeled that in the form of a compliment.

Originally posted by blackcaraddict

.. the economy had to pull back (GB Sr.).

Why?

Originally posted by blackcaraddict

After those 4 years, another expansion and its only by coincidence that the tubby chubby chaser from Arkansas received an economy on the rebound. Simpleton's such as yourself who truly believe the credit goes to Clinton for the expansion in the 90's do not know much about economics. Fact is, Clinton rode a wave in the 90's and it may be the only thing keeping him from being a complete failure as President.

Funny how your economic theory seems to run in exact multiples of 4 years. If you are studying Economics in school. Stay awake.

Originally posted by blackcaraddict

When was the last time anyone actually received a hard check in the mail from your President? Remember the $300 back a couple years ago?

Just keep in mind that that was our money that was returned. It wasn’t some kind of gift.

Originally posted by Scottwax

You don't think Kerry will raise taxes?

Enlighten me. I wasn’t aware that the President could single handedly raise or lower taxes! That fact passed by me in Civics.

Originally posted by Scottwax

He definitely won't reign in spending.

Will Bush and the Republicans?

Originally posted by Scottwax

Controlling spending is the key

Tell it to Bush and the Republicans.

Originally posted by Scottwax

and while I think Bush spends too much on the domestic side, it is nowhere near what Kerry will spend.

Better to spend it here than the $100+Billion (is there an end to this sink hole?) being spent in Iraq. Add to that the Afghanistan mire. Besides a bloated Medicare bill (which really benefits corporate America more than the citizens) and NASA (Mars boondoggle...News Flash....Mars may have supported life at one time...And that helps us, how?)...What has he done to (excuse me for America?)



I guess now you are clairvoyant in knowing what Kerry will propose. He will still need the legislative body's approval.

Originally posted by Scottwax

Bush has had to rebuild the military much like Reagan had to do after Carter. That does cost money. The lower revenues to the treasury from the recession inherited from Clinton also helps fuel deficits.

Bush didn’t have to spend all the monies on rebuilding the military. But as he continues to overextend the resources, yes then more money is required.



You have a real problem getting the facts straight on this recession issue. The nation was not in recession when Clinton left office. Therefore, Bush could not have inherited it.

Originally posted by Scottwax

:lol That's pretty funny considering all I see are Democrats bashing Bush on the news channels.

And you think that Democrats should praise Bush???? The Bush administration and Bushies in general all are seen and heard with great regularity.



If it is not already known, I’m for ABB. My list of reasons is long, but I’ll say that this president is out of touch with the country. Two quick and easy examples from his State of the Union address. The use of steroids in sports, and the exploration of Mars are not issues that are at the forefront in the hearts and minds of the nation’s citizenry. Get a clue.

 

[Sveta]

I don't think calling Kerry "Porky Pig" is helping anything. I recommend people invest in the Vanguard Energy Fund and reverse their poverty slide. It's up about 8% YTD. I did see one weapon of mass destruction taken out. The President of Iraq.

Now say..."He only killed his own people...it was none of our business." Haliburton is not the only company capable of dealing with the Iraq's oil infastructure, etc. The other big global company is TotalFinaElf. French. I know, we should trust the French with our lives, vote for a pig and take another shot of Hater-Aid before we should ever vote for Bush. Please tell me what's good about Kerry instead of just "I hate Bush! I hate capitalism! I hate anybody that has $1 more than I do!

Now it's my turn to hate...I HATE to say this but the "Bush tax cuts" and the CHILD CREDIT have really helped my family out and a lot of other hard working middle class people like me. Tell me Kerry won't touch that? You probably want Kerry to steal it from me and give it to you. The Pissed Off Porky Pig Voters of Chicago Relief Fund.



W. Churchill "To be 20 and not be a Liberal is not to have a heart. To be 40 and not be a Conservative is not to have a mind."

 

[wash_me]

Why can't a gay couple and there children have the same benefits as a straight couple gets?

 

[Sveta]

Way to go KevinA, look what a simple question can lead to



You have a real problem getting the facts straight on this recession issue. The nation was not in recession when Clinton left office. Therefore, Bush could not have inherited it.

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I was actually taking you "seriously" as someone trying to make reasoned and reasonably factual rebuttals until I read this. You must not have been in the Market the day Clinton went after Microsoft or in the months that followed. Remember the August Rally? NO? That's because YOU have no idea what you are talking about. Just who's economic theories are you using? Karl Marx? Tell us what are the "technical" conditions that must exist to call the economy in recession? You say you know. If you need help, some people use Dow theory to answer this. And there are others but it's late... Cry Uncle Sam and I'll let you up. :dance :usa