Boeing loses tanker contract to Airbus

jetset4me

jetset4me

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After 50 years of making tankers for the Air Force Boeing is being replaced by Northrop and Airbus. The only thing that we seem to be making here anymore is unemployment. :usa
 
gmblack3a said:
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Not sure what the price difference was, but how in the hell can it be worth it to give the job to scarebus?
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They didn't give it to Airbus, they gave it to Northrop Grumman...just like the President's new Italian helicopter is made by Lockheed Martin :rolleyes:
 
Setec Astronomy said:
They didn't give it to Airbus, they gave it to Northrop Grumman...just like the President's new Italian helicopter is made by Lockheed Martin :rolleyes:
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Exactly.... It will employ Americans.

The Air Force got a better more capable plane - think: Bang for the Buck.

Better performance, more capacity, off load of fuel, hauls more, longer range, shorter takeoff and landing.



It will be interesting how much they will cost and how many they order. The military is notorious for price creep by adding more bells and whistles...



I'm not a fan of the French, but if we can build most of it here and employ Americans, all the better.

Heck we get a lot of parts for the Boeing 777 and upcoming 787 from overseas suppliers.
 
reeeko99 said:
Heck we get a lot of parts for the Boeing 777 and upcoming 787 from overseas suppliers.
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So lets see: buy products/parts w/US funds from overseas countries, to use on an end item used to protect and serve people all over the world (possibly the same country the parts came from) all the while, causing the manufacturing sector in the US to dwindle away to nothing. Sounds like a win win scenario to me. Global synergy at its best, sponsored by NAFTA :confused:



PS-I work in this sector too, for the past 20 years. :usa
 
reeeko99 said:
Exactly.... It will employ Americans.
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But not nearly as many as if it was an American product.



reeeko99 said:
The Air Force got a better more capable plane - think: Bang for the Buck.

Better performance, more capacity, off load of fuel, hauls more, longer range, shorter takeoff and landing.
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Yeah, and supposedly the President got the best helicopter in the world--the EH101. What does it say about us that we no longer make the best helicopters in the world? And worse, what does it say when our President flies in a foreign helicopter?



reeeko99 said:
Heck we get a lot of parts for the Boeing 777 and upcoming 787 from overseas suppliers.
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And that should be seen as a problem, not as a rationale for buying a foreign aircraft.



You spoke of creep, what about the creeping feeling I'm getting that pretty soon we won't know how to build anything in this country? We already don't know how to build tv's or any other consumer electronics, we're working on cars and airplanes...we're on a road straight to oblivion. Northrop Grumman (well, Northrop and Grumman separately) actually used to build airplanes instead of badge-engineering them (and don't tell me how they make the Global Hawk--they bought that company).
 
cajunfirehawk said:
Ah YES, the global outsourcing of America continues. Six Sigma methodology at its finest. :o
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what cracks me up is the "one-piece pull" demonstration of the Six Sigma Principles... when you outsource everything, all it takes is one little foible with a supplier, and your whole system comes crashing down.
 
This is why the new 787 Dreamliner is delayed? Too many parts outsourced to too many places overseas. We are becoming pathetic. If World War II was fought now we'd lose. Maybe the way Germany and Japan are now-maybe we did!
 
cajunfirehawk said:
Ah YES, the global outsourcing of America continues. Six Sigma methodology at its finest. :o
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I know about Six Sigma so what is the connection to outsourcing unless you are just noting that it costs less. I think it is capitalism at its finest.
 
Final assembly is here in Mobile, AL. They're already calling for 2,000 workers. Alabama is in America, although granted sometimes it seems like it's in the twilight zone.

Actually, the Northrop bid was higher than Boeing's.

Maybe now the City Magistrate might get a raise ;)

Probably not.





reeeko99 said:
Exactly.... It will employ Americans.

The Air Force got a better more capable plane - think: Bang for the Buck.

Better performance, more capacity, off load of fuel, hauls more, longer range, shorter takeoff and landing.



It will be interesting how much they will cost and how many they order. The military is notorious for price creep by adding more bells and whistles...



I'm not a fan of the French, but if we can build most of it here and employ Americans, all the better.

Heck we get a lot of parts for the Boeing 777 and upcoming 787 from overseas suppliers.
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jetset4me said:
Too many parts outsourced to too many places overseas. We are becoming pathetic. If World War II was fought now we'd lose. Maybe the way Germany and Japan are now-maybe we did!
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Concur, in our quest to be just like....well hell, lets just say what all of our companie's goal is today: to be just like toyota, since they seem to be the pinnacle benchmark for the corporate world to follow, we spend too much money doing what they do, to be like them. Hell, just sell out to toyota already, then all of coroprate america would be perfect, synergy all around. :woot2:

I dont want to particpate in this anymore, makes me fell like I am at work :work:
 
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