Blackfire rinceless

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K9VND

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Have been trying out both the waterless and rinceless product's over the last few week's.
Waterless got me going, a very good product in which it will more or less replace my qding stage on the car before an application of polymer spray.
Rinceless am having trouble, after diluting 2 and half oz to 30oz of water to apply as a qd type spray ive received a grabby applicated product that I spent more time trying to buff off rather than a quick wipe and buff.
What am I doing wrong? mabey a further dilution to the already 2 and half oz?
 
K9VND said:
Have been trying out both the waterless and rinceless product's over the last few week's.
Waterless got me going, a very good product in which it will more or less replace my qding stage on the car before an application of polymer spray.
Rinceless am having trouble, after diluting 2 and half oz to 30oz of water to apply as a qd type spray ive received a grabby applicated product that I spent more time trying to buff off rather than a quick wipe and buff.
What am I doing wrong? mabey a further dilution to the already 2 and half oz?
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I would try 2 oz. to 30 oz. of water and see if that helps.
 
K9VND said:
Rinceless am having trouble, after diluting 2 and half oz to 30oz of water to apply as a qd type spray ive received a grabby applicated product that I spent more time trying to buff off rather than a quick wipe and buff.
What am I doing wrong? mabey a further dilution to the already 2 and half oz?
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I don't have a bottle of BF rinseless to see what it says, but the product page says that it is 3oz + 32oz of water for the QD. I would guess you are short in the mixture. Try adding the full 3oz and see what happens.

I personally would either us the waterless wash or the dedicated QD. I am not a huge fan of diluting products for purpose such as this. I have found a rinseless wash is best kept a rinseless wash as it seems to loose something as a QD. I prefer using the waterless wash as my QD product as it is safer, cleans better, and usually leaves the same gloss & finish behind.

 
TroyScherer said:

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I could be wrong in my response above, as the STIG has spoken.

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I'm with you on the previous post - while a lot of rinseless washes technically CAN be used as a QD, they don't perform as well as a conventional ready-to-use QD. For that reason I like to use products solely for their intended use, whether that's a rinseless wash, QD, spray wax, tire gel, etc.

In my experience 2 ounces to 30 ounces of water isn't as grabby, but it varies between paint systems. The same product can perform very differently on two different vehicles, especially if they have a different LSP. This goes for every car care product ever manufactured, from compounds to quick detailers.

Play around with the dilution ratio and you'll quickly find which one works best. :)
 
For QD, I dilute 1:10. So you are a little short with the chemical. Try distilled water also as hard water would affect proformance. I also use BFRW as my clay lube diluted 1:16 and has always worked very well.

BF tends to be a little finicky, in my experience, with LSP's other than BF. I've tried a few BF products (Polymer Spray, Midnight Sun Instant Detailer, and just a regular RW) on top of Coll 845 and didn't get the performance I had when used over BFWD/BFCS. When I do my winter detail and apply Coll 845, I go with Duragloss Rinseless, which you can dilute to a QD at 1:16. I keep a bottle of straight DG Aquawax on hand too.
 
Many thanks for the replys chap's, ive tried again tonight with further product which resulted in a lot of streaking when wipe off, this seemed to dry quickly causing a lot of hazing which was or is difficult to remove.
I think I will try as advised and mix with deironised and see how that fairs, mabey the water being too soft may be splitting the product.

The only other confusion I have is the bottle itself, once received it looked as though the bottle had been squeezed so was mis-shaped which has drawn me to think this may have been sitting around the shelves for a good while.
 
The rinseless does that for some reason (concave bottle). I have a 16 oz. bottle and a 64 oz. jug and they both do the same thing. They even sit inside in constant temp.

What do you have on your vehicle for sealant/wax? As I mentioned, the BFRW doesn't play nice with some LSP's.
 
Think the problem may be down to incorrect use after all am trying to get this product to be a safer form of qd rather than using the blackfire qd.
Ive tried various dilution's of less and more and even going to the stages of applying midnight sun and a mix of deep gloss spray and wet diamond to various panels on the car. With the rinceless at a dilution of 1:64 the streaking and grabby ness is not noticeable on both the polymer spray and deep gloss however it feel's a lot more grabby on the wax than it did on the crystal seal.

As a stand alone rinceless as it's intended the product is great but I much preffer the use of waterless wash as its more my application minded, all be the rinceless will make a great pre wash,lube and indeed a softner to the wash process so I am still happy with the product its just a shame I couldn't get a 100% qd out of it but blackfire do have that for intended uses in the range.

The only problem I have now is where to order more waterless as its very rare a supplier has it here, all be polished bliss do some range but unfortunately there hand picking the products they like and not willing to up the stock range.
 
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