imported_akimel
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But who is going to tape the trim just for waxing?
BlackFire Paste
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Old Pirate
AMG Classic Car Detailing
A few folks do, or just be careful not to touch or hit the trim areas.
imported_akimel
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I am glad to know that we need to be careful with Midnight Sun and plastic trim. I do not know why, but I assumed that it was safe, like Souveran, to apply MS to plastic trim.
I have to admit that I'm a bit disappointed to hear this news.
I have to admit that I'm a bit disappointed to hear this news.
Old Pirate
AMG Classic Car Detailing
Like I said, It hasn't happen to myself or Todd and alot of other folks out there. So just take it easy around your trim areas. I sometimes put tape on some areas and sometimes I don't. It depends on where it's going.
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
I wrote this in a PM to Akimel, and thought this the most appropriate response.
I have used Midnight Sun on at least 50 cars or more and have never experienced it staining trim. I also spoke with Jack and he confirmed that with many thousand jars sold that we have never received a complaint about this wax (or the previous Batch) staining trim.
Based on the numbers of Midnight Sun sold and used to the case of it staining trim (thousands to 1) I would feel more comfortable stating that it 'doesn't stain trim' vs. 'stains trim'.
Typically the abrasives and solvents used in waxes with cleaners, or certain petroleums added to the wax will cause staining on most rubber and trim. It is the same concept (since this mostly happens in cleaner/waxes) as letting an abrasive polish dry on the trim.
Midnight Sun uses the highest quality ingredients and contains no abrasives, simply there is nothing in the formula that should cause staining, which is why I believe we have never heard of it before.
However we cannot test for everything, try as we might. Not all trim is equal, and more important it does not live an equal life once it is manufacture red and placed on the vehicle. It is impossible to know what products have been used on the trim, what types of chemicals have been used to clean it, what chemicals have been used to dress it. All of these factors can contribute to very isolated and unexpected results.
Of course at Proper Auto Care we thoroughly test and support every product we sell and have a soft spot in our hearts for Blackfire. Claude, I am very sorry you had this result, as I would have loved for your Midnight Sun experience to be as great as the thousands of others
However we stand behind everything and certainly want you to be happy with your hard earned money so give Jack a call at 1 800 628 7596!
This morning I applied to Midnight Sun to the textured trim below on my Chevy HHR, to confirm what have been my experience with this wax.
Midnight Sun is designed to be wiped on and wiped off wet, but I let it dry and fully cake on to the surface, to increase the likelihood of staining.
The wax required a little effort to remove, but still wiped away cleanly and left the mirror looking dark and rich.
I waited two hours after application to see if the surface would be begin to stain. Instead, with the sun further over head, the surface looked amazing.
I cleaned my other mirror with alcohol.
The taped it up and applied Midnight Sun to the other half of the mirror and let sit for about 5 minutes.
Then I wiped it off and was greeted with the same result (but obviously on half of the mirror. I will wait two hours then take a picture of the 50/50 mirror to see if any staining occurs.
And I do agree that it looks better and lasts longer then that whats-its-name other brand!
I have used Midnight Sun on at least 50 cars or more and have never experienced it staining trim. I also spoke with Jack and he confirmed that with many thousand jars sold that we have never received a complaint about this wax (or the previous Batch) staining trim.
Based on the numbers of Midnight Sun sold and used to the case of it staining trim (thousands to 1) I would feel more comfortable stating that it 'doesn't stain trim' vs. 'stains trim'.
Typically the abrasives and solvents used in waxes with cleaners, or certain petroleums added to the wax will cause staining on most rubber and trim. It is the same concept (since this mostly happens in cleaner/waxes) as letting an abrasive polish dry on the trim.
Midnight Sun uses the highest quality ingredients and contains no abrasives, simply there is nothing in the formula that should cause staining, which is why I believe we have never heard of it before.
However we cannot test for everything, try as we might. Not all trim is equal, and more important it does not live an equal life once it is manufacture red and placed on the vehicle. It is impossible to know what products have been used on the trim, what types of chemicals have been used to clean it, what chemicals have been used to dress it. All of these factors can contribute to very isolated and unexpected results.
Of course at Proper Auto Care we thoroughly test and support every product we sell and have a soft spot in our hearts for Blackfire. Claude, I am very sorry you had this result, as I would have loved for your Midnight Sun experience to be as great as the thousands of others
However we stand behind everything and certainly want you to be happy with your hard earned money so give Jack a call at 1 800 628 7596!
This morning I applied to Midnight Sun to the textured trim below on my Chevy HHR, to confirm what have been my experience with this wax.
Midnight Sun is designed to be wiped on and wiped off wet, but I let it dry and fully cake on to the surface, to increase the likelihood of staining.
The wax required a little effort to remove, but still wiped away cleanly and left the mirror looking dark and rich.
I waited two hours after application to see if the surface would be begin to stain. Instead, with the sun further over head, the surface looked amazing.
I cleaned my other mirror with alcohol.
The taped it up and applied Midnight Sun to the other half of the mirror and let sit for about 5 minutes.
Then I wiped it off and was greeted with the same result (but obviously on half of the mirror. I will wait two hours then take a picture of the 50/50 mirror to see if any staining occurs.
And I do agree that it looks better and lasts longer then that whats-its-name other brand!
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I have used Wet Diamond (liquid) on four cars so far and I have not stained trim. Can't speak to Midnight Sun though.
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
Thanx for your time Angelo, but taping the trim on a jeep compass, would take a while or any vehicle for that matter. I also don't see myself taping a vehicle before I put a coat of Wax or sealant on it. I do tape for med-heavy polishing or compounding only, and taping to put a coat of wax on any vehicle is just not an option for me.
Has anyone there thought maybe just maybe i have a bad batch?
its marked batch 24. and it was a sealed container.
Claude
I wrote this in a PM to Akimel, and thought this the most appropriate response.
I have used Midnight Sun on at least 50 cars or more and have never experienced it staining trim. I also spoke with Jack and he confirmed that with many thousand jars sold that we have never received a complaint about this wax (or the previous Batch) staining trim.
Based on the numbers of Midnight Sun sold and used to the case of it staining trim (thousands to 1) I would feel more comfortable stating that it 'doesn't stain trim' vs. 'stains trim'.
Typically the abrasives and solvents used in waxes with cleaners, or certain petroleums added to the wax will cause staining on most rubber and trim. It is the same concept (since this mostly happens in cleaner/waxes) as letting an abrasive polish dry on the trim.
Midnight Sun uses the highest quality ingredients and contains no abrasives, simply there is nothing in the formula that should cause staining, which is why I believe we have never heard of it before.
However we cannot test for everything, try as we might. Not all trim is equal, and more important it does not live an equal life once it is manufacture red and placed on the vehicle. It is impossible to know what products have been used on the trim, what types of chemicals have been used to clean it, what chemicals have been used to dress it. All of these factors can contribute to very isolated and unexpected results.
Of course at Proper Auto Care we thoroughly test and support every product we sell and have a soft spot in our hearts for Blackfire. Claude, I am very sorry you had this result, as I would have loved for your Midnight Sun experience to be as great as the thousands of others
However we stand behind everything and certainly want you to be happy with your hard earned money so give Jack a call at 1 800 628 7596!
This morning I applied to Midnight Sun to the textured trim below on my Chevy HHR, to confirm what have been my experience with this wax.
Midnight Sun is designed to be wiped on and wiped off wet, but I let it dry and fully cake on to the surface, to increase the likelihood of staining.
The wax required a little effort to remove, but still wiped away cleanly and left the mirror looking dark and rich.
I waited two hours after application to see if the surface would be begin to stain. Instead, with the sun further over head, the surface looked amazing.
I cleaned my other mirror with alcohol.
The taped it up and applied Midnight Sun to the other half of the mirror and let sit for about 5 minutes.
Then I wiped it off and was greeted with the same result (but obviously on half of the mirror. I will wait two hours then take a picture of the 50/50 mirror to see if any staining occurs.
And I do agree that it looks better and lasts longer then that whats-its-name other brand!
Hey There Todd,
We happen to have an HHR in our family and i have put a coat of wax on it. The mirrors that you applied wax to, have a smooth surface on them, but they look textured. Its a GM vehicle it has the same smooth texture that my work van mirror has. As you can see the Midnight sun wax i applied went on a Jeep Compass, i'm sure you have seen the vehicle, or you can goto a Jeep dealer and just touch the roof racks and or the door handles, i am sure you would agree the texture on those items dont match the texture or feel of your HHR mirrors. All trim on any vehicle that pulls up on my driveway for detailing gets cleaned up while its being washed with Z7 and then gets hit with 303 products.
Please don't get me wrong here, the wax is beautiful on my wife's jeep and durable, its just the staining I don't care for.
What about the Wet Diamond? I would like to try it, but does it stain a texture trim? not a smooth texture. regular texture, Example if you take a q-tip and run it on the trim the fibers would get stuck on the texture. Thats the texture i'm talking about. I don't know how else I can describe it.
Thanx In Advance
Claude
Just any old pink eraser will do. I usually by the rectangle ones so the pencil does not hit the car. I never have time to tape out my own car so I usually work around the trim by hand. ( I can probably tape out faster.) The times I have gotten it on the trim I learned this trick years ago. Just rub the stain with an eraser just like your erasing pencil on paper. It does take time. You will have to work from multiple angles to get it off. My black trim is textured. Yours looks smoother then mine you may need less work. I then grab an old children's toothbrush and scrub it with a little autoglym bumpercare to finish it off
Thanx for the Tip, i might just have to do that.
Have you had this problem with Midnight Sun Paste?
Claude
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
Have you noticed this staining on this particular trim with any other waxes?
No i have not, other Wax= Souveran
Other Sealants=Zaino, Klasse AIO and Glaze
Todd, can it be a bad batch or container. Can it be exchanged for another container? Im willing to stay with it and willing to order the wet diamond also and see how that works out.
I was late calling Jack, i will call him tomorrow, late day at work today.
Time for some Baseball...
Good Night
Claude
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
Claude, while I would never rule out that it is a batch problem, I would say that is highly unlikely. Of course speaking with Jack is the best bet regarding a solution to the problem. My goal is to not only make sure we make it right but also figure out the cause of the problem. Again I am very sorry that you suffered what appears to be a very isolated result.
In this thread, titled Wax Residue, you mention that you have gotten residue from other waxes you have tried on the rough texture. What is the difference in your eyes between the staining that Blackfire caused and the 'residue' that your other products created?
Have fun and I hope your team wins tonight, unless of course, they are playing my team:thumbup:
As I mentioned in my post above. I tested both Midnight Sun and Wet Diamond on my wifes unforgiving 2004 Trailblazer's black trim. I decided to use the trim on the right side of the rear bumper for the test.
I prep'd the surface with Meguiar's APC 10:1 to remove any M40 or Hyper Dressing that may have been on the surface and then rinsed thoroughly with fresh water several times to remove any APC residue.
I masked the area to maintain a control area and applied Wet Diamond on the left and Midnight Sun on the right. The picture doesn't show it as well as I would like, but I applied a lot of wax and sealant. My goal was to try to make these products stain if at all possible.
After 5 minutes I buffed off Wet Diamond very easily. After 20 Minutes I buffed off the Midnight Sun. It also buffed off very easily. No staining and they both looked very good on the trim. If fact I very much liked the way Wet Diamond looked.
The trim on the Trailblazer is heavily textured and I have had problems with other waxes staining before. I have proved to my satisfaction that Midnight Sun and Wet Diamond do not stain trim. They are off my endangered species list.
Question About Waxed Trim: I went over the whole test trim section shown above with Midnight Sun for uniformity. I layered it on very thick, left it on for an hour and buffed it off. Again it buffed off very easily. Will it discolor over time or just wear away like it does on paint?
Mike
I prep'd the surface with Meguiar's APC 10:1 to remove any M40 or Hyper Dressing that may have been on the surface and then rinsed thoroughly with fresh water several times to remove any APC residue.
I masked the area to maintain a control area and applied Wet Diamond on the left and Midnight Sun on the right. The picture doesn't show it as well as I would like, but I applied a lot of wax and sealant. My goal was to try to make these products stain if at all possible.
After 5 minutes I buffed off Wet Diamond very easily. After 20 Minutes I buffed off the Midnight Sun. It also buffed off very easily. No staining and they both looked very good on the trim. If fact I very much liked the way Wet Diamond looked.
The trim on the Trailblazer is heavily textured and I have had problems with other waxes staining before. I have proved to my satisfaction that Midnight Sun and Wet Diamond do not stain trim. They are off my endangered species list.
Question About Waxed Trim: I went over the whole test trim section shown above with Midnight Sun for uniformity. I layered it on very thick, left it on for an hour and buffed it off. Again it buffed off very easily. Will it discolor over time or just wear away like it does on paint?
Mike
That thread was after i used Menz. FPII, the polish got under the tape, and didn't look pretty.
I called Jack today and spoke to him and everything is solved, and i believe i saw dust on my trim and its taken care of.
Claude.
Old Pirate
AMG Classic Car Detailing
Very glad to see that it work out for you Claude, I'll keep that pink eraser trick handy for a rainy day............:thumbup:
Woah, thats taking some chances there Mike, i hope it works out for you.
I applied it to my wife's jeep compass last night on the driver's side passagers door trim, and i waited 10min. and buffed it off...wife just got home and its dark out side.
better to look at it in daylight. Tomorrow is another day.
Claude
I applied it to my wife's jeep compass last night on the driver's side passagers door trim, and i waited 10min. and buffed it off...wife just got home and its dark out side.
better to look at it in daylight. Tomorrow is another day.
Claude