black supra - with dreaded swirls! NEED HELP

i just read up on meguirs site, the 83 is a cleaner polish and the 80 is a speed glaze which removes fine swirls. Does the 83 help to remove swirls like in my pics and the 80 just refines the paint glossing it up?



isnt the compount step the one that removes swirls and the glaze such as meguiras 80(speed glaze) used to gloss up the paint again because compounding makes paint dull?



what if i used meguiars range of cut cleaners like #1 and #2 before using 83/80 combo or is this overkill?



if i go with the 83/80 combo, should i stick with meguiars for the LSP stage such as #3/#5/#7/ ?????. (which one is best, 3, 5 or 7?) or should i say durable; ie wont come off after one wash?



is collinite more durable then meguiars 3, 5 or 7?



how does durability of omega glaze + blitz combo compare to meguiars LSP and collinite?



too many choices out there. im rattled!!!!!!!!!



meguiars also offer polymer and synthetic sealants, are these good for SS paint or stuff it? meguiars states theit synthetic sealant #21 eliminates swirls. would this be good to use after a meguiars glaze before applying wax?
 
hahahahha i want to be certain on best possible combo of products and pads. i have posted pics now so maybe some suggestions made before they were posted might not suffice! :)



with the meguiras #83, is is best to use orange pad and then white pad for the #80 as the 80 is less abbrasive?



also what colour is finishing pads to apply the glaze and wax or should i do this bit by hand?



if i do that part by hand, should i apply the #80 with a less abbrasive/cutting pad? what is the finish like after using the 80?



sorry for being anal :)
 
Giama- I can't see the pics, they're coming up red "X"es :nixweiss Anyhow, my suggestions stay the same.



The Meguiar's stuff is much more confusing that it oughta be (they use words in, uhm "inventive" ways :rollyes: )...I'll try to make some sense out of it:



The #83 Dual-Action Cleaner (the "cleaner" means "abrasive" in the goofy Meguiar's-speak) Polish is a medium strength abrasive. The #80 Speed Glaze is a somewhat milder abrasive that will still do some correction. It's common to use the #83 first and then follow up with the #80. Yes, orange pad with #83 then white with #80 should work. The #80 will almost always leave a great finish, ready for the LSP.



The #3 Machine Glaze, #5 New Car Glaze, #7 Showcar Polish (maybe "glaze"..I forget what they call it these days), #81 Hand Polish are all "pure polishes" in Meguiar's-speak; I'd call them "glazes". You can usually apply them with either polishing (my usual preference) or finishing pads, or by hand. FWIW I like the #5, it's about as easy to use as products get. Sorry, but you'll have to reapply after every wash, not durable at all. You need to put a wax on top of the glaze to "seal it in". Then the durability depends on the wax.



#1 Medium Cut Cleaner is rotary only, #2 Fine Cut Cleaner is a pretty abrsive polish that has been reformulated for use by PC/hand as well as rotary (make sure you get the current version!). I myself would probably buy #2 instead of #83 for the aggressive product.



I'd stick with the numbers instead of the names as the names change (glaze to polish and maybe back again) but the products and numbers stay the same.



Collinite is *extremely* durable, as in *months*. I wouldn't expect the Blitz to be as durable because, well, no wax has ever compared to Collinite. But otherwise the Omega + Blitz combo is basically the same as the #3/#5/#7/#81 + Collinite combo.



I recommend waxes on ss, not the synthetics like #21. The way theys say it "eliminates swirls" gets me :angry because it really just hides them and not all that well either.
 
why not some poorboys ssr line polishes. a 2.5 followed by a 1 should yield some nice results....



top it with nattys blue or my favorite Megs #26 and your good to go! My truck is silver though so I dont know how 26 will look on black?



Jim
 
thanks for taking the time accumulator, cheers



can anyone else see my pics? i can see them. damn imageshack!



do u have email accumulator so i can send pics
 
giama-The pics are working now!



OK, those are pretty bad...I'd absolutely expect to use either the #83 or the (new version of) #2 for most of the correction. Then follow with the #80 once things are looking pretty good. Don't go for perfection (let you get frustrated), get it much improved and then see how it looks after you apply the glaze.



Once you start, pick an area an work on it, inspecting your progress. No point in doing the whole car if something's going wrong (not that I expect it to), get things figured out on a small area and then do the rest of it. The trunk/boot/hatch lid might be a good place to start, under the wing.
 
accumulator. you have explained it thoroughly, cheers



i will try this 83/80 combo followed by the meguirs 3 or 5( i might buy both and see the difference for myself). i will then finish off with collinite wax.



which collinite is better for ss paint for longer durability, and overall look/gloss/shine? the 476s or 845?





also, you know how u said that the meguiars 3, 5, 0r 7 for the glaze step will need to be applied after every wash as its not durable, is this the case if i put the collinite wax over the top. will the collinite seal the newly compounded, polished and glazed paint using meguiars for at least a month of 2?



this is my ultimate goal really, to be able to seal the paint well with the wax, because when i used meguiars 3 step system with the depp crystal polish, i had no swirls and it looked awesome, and i did this by hand. i found that when i sealed it with the NXT wax after the 3 step process that the durability was about a month. but thereafter i found myself waxing every week as it was probably due for another 3 step process with the products i used/mentioned in my initial post.



also you prefer to apply the 'glaze step'(meguiars 3 lets say) with a polishing pad. would this be the white pad that i use for the step 2 with meguirs 80. or are there different grades of white pad for polishing/glazing step



so to conclude.



i will use



meg83 with orange pad

meg80 with white pad

meguiars 3 with ?????? (is it worthwhile to use the meguirs 5 after the 3 as the 3 is light abbrasive?, will this make it a glassier finish?)

collinite wax(476s or 845)?



thanks :)
 
also do you notice how my swirls are in like a huge circle where the circumfrence of a swirl looks to cover half the bonnet. Is it possible this was caused with my ****** meguiars wash mit/glove?, as i tend to wipe in large circular strokes when washing the car. im not an expert in automotive paint finish so is this waffle or likely possibility? in any case im not using the mitt again, never liked it in the first place(feels heavy when soaked and hand only fills half the inside of glove generating less control). where can i get a foam gun and how does it work?. does it involve not having to touch the car(ie; let it soak in wash solution then hose off). never really heard about it. thanks.



also what is best chamois to use when drying the car for ss paint?.
 
giama said:
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meg83 with orange pad

meg80 with white pad

meguiars 3 with ?????? (is it worthwhile to use the meguirs 5 after the 3 as the 3 is light abbrasive?, will this make it a glassier finish?)

collinite wax(476s or 845)?



thanks :)
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You might not even *need* the glaze after the #80 (which leaves similar stuff behind). There are probably different grades of white polishing pads available but I've never taken note of any significant differences.



Contrary to popular opinion the #3 is *nonabrasive*. It's just a different version of #7 as best I can tell. I'd choose between it and #5 and again, you might not even need either.



No need to reapply the glaze step until the next time you polish with the #80. Try to keep the wax refreshed so that the glaze never gets "exposed". Unfortunately, I suspect that the paint will get marred (washing, most likely) and you'll end up redoing the #80 after a few months anyhow because of that.



I prefer the 476S paste wax. Can't say how long it'll last but it'll be a good long while and you can just reapply the 476S after a month or so if necessary.
 
oh btw. you prefer the collinite over nxt tech wax right. so ill apply collinite every 3 weeks or so to keep it sealed and prevent having to do 83/80 again or too soon. Also one thing you havent mentioned is, does the collinite do the same job as NXT tech wax with regards to hiding and filling light swirls(in the event that the 83/80 combo does not produce a 100% perfect finish) with the exception being that collinite is more durable than nxt tech wax. If so, then im sold. because the great thing about nxt wax was that the car looked swirl free for that glorious 7 days or so:).



also you said:



You might not even *need* the glaze after the #80 (which leaves similar stuff behind).



what do you mean by this?
 
giama- Nah, the Collinite won't conceal stuff quite as well as NXT, but I don't see a *huge* difference myself. But I've never used NXT, just seen imperfect finishes that had it on there (and it didn't hide much IMO).



Heh heh, if you redo the 476S every three weeks it'll last forever.



Never tried putting Collinite over NXT...but anyhow, see what you get with the polishing.



When I said you might not need the glaze after the #80, that's because the #80 leaves stuff behind (Meguiar's calls this stuff "trade secret oils" and some people get all stressed if somebody calls it "fillers" but you get the idea ;) ) that does a bit of concealing. If it looks OK after the #80 I just wax it. If it doesn't look OK I'll try glazing an area and see if that does it. If so, cool, glaze then wax. If not, then it's back to more polishing.
 
accumulator. for the polishign steps like 83/80 using orange and white pads, is their any alternative polishes out there for ss paint that produce better results(swirl removal) and an overall glossier finish?



i will be using the collinite wax. and i was thinking of maybe using nxt tech waX before collinite as nxt is wicked on ss black paint. would this be ok. will the collinite conceal the techwax on the paint so when i wash the car it wont come off?



whats this menzerna polishes etc everyone talks about?
 
giama- There are other polish choices that are perfectly fine (Menzerna is one of them), and I often recommend 1Z brand polishes. But the Meguiar's stuff is usually very nice on ss paint.



Would I *possibly* get a better finish using 1Z? Maybe. I use 1z more often than Meguiar's that's for sure.



Menzerna? For some reason I just don't recommend it all that often to newbies as I don't consider it as user-friendly as some other approaches.



If you want to consider something besides the Meguiar's route: 1z Ultra/Extra for the worst marring; 1z Paint Polish for the whole thing; 1z Metallic Polish for the final polishing.



I can't really say which way you oughta go...but I *do* generally recommend the 1Z stuff for people just starting with this stuff, especially those who are gonna use a wax (as opposed to a sealant). With the 1Z I'd skip the NXT as 1Z hides a fair bit by itself and the NXT might compromise it a little.



Sealing the NXT in under the Collinite will probably work, never tried it.



FWIW, if *I* were doing the car and I was shooting for the best compromise between effort and results...[Accumulator flips coin]...I'd probably use the 1Z topped with Collinite. But that's just me and *man* do I hate muddying the waters like this...it's too easy to analyze this stuff to death and you won't go wrong with the Meguiar's approach either.
 
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