Black porsche Cayenne 800 miles >me *56K* LOL

Yeah, now the after-pics are showing. Very, very nice.



Thanks for explaining the #85 vs. HT thing. Interesting. And yeah, there can be times when #80 has too much initial bite but I've only had it happen on repaints so that was quite a surprise.



I don't see gallons of the MG at the Levine site. In case you need a source, HERE'S a place that had it in gallons (05938) the last time I checked. But I notice that their quart sizes are priced higher than Levine though. If anybody else has a source for PI-III RC/MG you might post it in the Products forum. I still find myself at a loss when trying to come up with alternative products to recommend.



Heh heh, eight hours huh? When it takes *you* that long, well, that tells me something about what a job it was.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
Shinylildetailer, I know you posted something, but I cannot view it. My diplay shows post 10, then jumps to 12, skipping your #11???



Anyone know why? You are certainly not on my ingnore list. :)



EDIT** Actually I can't see post 9 or 11. Anyone know why it does that?
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I'll try posting something again, then; this is odd....



Actually I got a PM from Sean (GSRstylez) a while back saying I had him blocked, on ignore, or something; which I don't have anyone on ignore/block/etc....



I wonder if the mods are blocking me for some unexplained reason? Can ANYONE see what I'm posting?
 
You've outdone yourself again!



Have you tried the Menzerna line of polishes? I'd like to think that you could accomplish what you did with them.
 
Stunning recovery, Joe! :bow



I cannot believe a dealership employs people who hack up Porsches like that. Wait, I can because I see it so often. Just the other day, I saw a brand new LS430 (with dealer tags still) on the freeway and the car was covered in rotary swirls. I took note of the dealer emblem in the back....Sewell. I thought they were better than that...



Interesting route you took. I noticed the micromarring on the black Cayenne Turbo I regularly clean. Normally, SSR2.5 breaks down well enough that any minute marring is easily removed. Not on this one. :nixweiss Even #80 left a very light haze in a couple spots but Vanilla Moose seemed to work well. Optimum Polish is also very good on Cayenne paint, at least in my experience.



Thanks for the product breakdown and process. Very helpful to all of us. :)
 
great work Joe, I had the same problem with the new 2005 and 2006 Black Jetta's. Now I am the only guy prepping these cars before they get out to the customers. I have had success with Menzerna FPII via pc and grey finshing pads as my last polishing step. I still can't believe they tried to hand the car over to the customer like that.
 
GREAT WORK! Going through all those products must've been a heart-pounding nightmare!



I believe the replacement for PI-III MG is Perfect-It 3000 Swirl Mark Remover.
 
The transformation is simply amazing :bow and the after shot on the sun rise is beautiful :xyxthumbs
 
Spilchy said:
Sick work Joe! Great job as usual and props for going late into the night and still achieving those stellar results.



When you say "one pass" of #85, what exactly do you mean? Just going left to right once and then wipe off? Basically, what I mean is, what constitutes "one pass?"



How fast do you move the buffer and how much pressure do you apply with the #85?



Thanks.
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Thanks Seth, I appreciate it.



When I say "one pass" I mean: Apply product to pad, buff one section of paint (typically 24" x 24") making several overlapping strokes within that area, I use just a little pressure and enough overlapping passes to break the product down. I stop when the product is *almost* gone. I try to make sure that there is still product left on the paint, avoiding buffing "dry." Sometimes I remove the residue, other times I leave it and remove it with the next step. With this paint, I absoltuely removed it section by section by misting some #34 FI on the section, then lightly wiping with a MF.



On a "regular" vehicle that needed this type of correction I would have probably done this:





Apply #85 with wool pad via rotary @ 1750-2000 RPM's, leave residue



Apply #83 via rotary and polishing pad @1000 RPM's, remove residue by misting QD on paint and wiping with MF towel (section by section)



Apply #80 via PC and a polishing pad



LSP



Does that make sense? Hard for *me* to articulate the procedure . :o
 
Accumulator said:
Yeah, now the after-pics are showing. Very, very nice.



Thanks for explaining the #85 vs. HT thing. Interesting. And yeah, there can be times when #80 has too much initial bite but I've only had it happen on repaints so that was quite a surprise.



I don't see gallons of the MG at the Levine site. In case you need a source, HERE'S a place that had it in gallons (05938) the last time I checked. But I notice that their quart sizes are priced higher than Levine though. If anybody else has a source for PI-III RC/MG you might post it in the Products forum. I still find myself at a loss when trying to come up with alternative products to recommend.



Heh heh, eight hours huh? When it takes *you* that long, well, that tells me something about what a job it was.
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Interesting about your experience with repaints. The entire time I was buffing this paint I felt like it had been painted a few days ago. I don't have that much experience with repaints, but wetsanded a few and this is how it felt, like it hadn't fully cured yet--still "soft."



Now on to my next "interesting" finding; the solstice that I buffed today was almost *exactly* like the porsche paint. Paerhaps the solstice paint wasn't as soft, but the Meguiars 80's seried micromarred the paint. I again had tho use the 3M PI-II MG to remove marring.



Both vehicles were brand new, both had *very* soft paint, and both would *only* respond to the 3M product (at least from arsenal). Now I have buffed plenty of GM paints over the years and IME they are *very* hard. Do you think there could be a new paint process with the VOC regulations that casues these paints to be so soft in the early stages of curing? Or perhaps I just happened upon two completely unrelated cases that are the exception, not the rule.



At any rate, thanks for the source for the 3M gallons, locally they are a bit higher. Also, thanks for the compliments. I have to tell you, I went to the 3M, 1Z combo becasue I *thought* that you used them on the s8 (IIRC it was prep tp perfection, 3M PI-III MG, 1Z MP, UPP). After I got the finish "relatively" swirl free, the 1Z was the only thing that would add to the look without micromarring, so THANK YOU!!!
 
I hope these soft finishes are not due to some VOC compliance, this would be a total nightmare. This is the first I hear of it on a GM car because like you said the clearcoats are always hard. Om the other hand it does seem like a trend with german cars like the Porsche you did and the troubles I have seen with the 05 on VW's. On a positive note I have not seen this on Bmw's and Audi's.
 
Thanks Joe, you explained it perfectly. The idea of leaving residue and moving on to a lighter polish is interesting and I can see how that lessens the chance of micro marring.
 
Spilchy said:
I thought you meant the scarcity 05937, not 05938. I can only find the 05937 in quarts.
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Sorry, all these part numbers are making for unclear communication and I usually only get that with the Meguiar's numbers :D The 05938 is the pn for the gallon size of 05937.



ebpcivicsi- Heh heh when *you* thank me for something I posted I know I'm doing something right.



You're right about the MG/ 1z MP/UPP sequence on the S8, good memory.



I wonder if the Cayenne *was* reshot? But nah, you'd have noticed tell tale signs somewhere (anybody good enough to do an undetectable repaint would've gotten the paint harder than that- that marring didn't look like it all happened in the last few days). Interesting about both it and the Solstice having soft paint...wonder if we're headed towards an either-or situation between soft stuff like that and ceramiclear.
 
Great work.



I just got a 7336 for xmas, and am about to get into the world of polishing. I've been a Zaino user for a long time, but never did the real polishing. My question is how do you test each product? Do you wipe off the old residue and go with a new product to see if it "works"? Do you keep testing on the same panel? How long did it take for you to do all that testing? You listed like every product known to man!!! :)
 
I can't believe Porsche would deliver such a swirlfest.



Thank goodness you were around. That is one quality renovation! :woot:
 
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