Black 97 VW Jetta + DACP + Blackfire

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I was wondering if there is anyone on the forums who owns a black VW in the 1996-1998 range. I am waiting for my order from CMA and I ordered a their Blackfire kit. My 97 Jetta VR6 is a daily 120 mile a day driver and needs a good detail. Ive usually used meguiars products and wanted to try something different. I wanted to get some feedback from anyone with this type of vehicle and has used specifically Blackfire and DACP on this particular car. How did your cars come out? Encountered any problems? I've used DACP before on my mom's dark green Honda Accord and several other cars and have gotten great results. Here is the steps I've used before.



Clay Magic

DACP

SMR

Meguiars #7

Blitz



The Jetta's paint hasnt had a good detail in over a year and a half because of my busy school schedule (and 120 a day drive back and forth to school plus working on the weekends). Some slight scratches on the paint from people rubbing against a dirty finish. Slight swirls and spiderwebbing.



This is what I'm going to have to work with. With my tight budget I dont want to go out and buy anything more to detail my car. I think I have more than enough to do the job. Suggestions?



Pinnacle Clay

DACP

SMR

Meguiars #7

Meguiars Machine Glaze

Blitz

Blackfire Polish

Blackfire Protectant

Gold Class car wash

Blackfire Car wash

1 yellow CMA cutting pad, 2 CMA white pads, 1 CMA gray :nixweiss
 
Blackfire has been my fall toy wax. On the first car I put it on over DACP and thought it looked great. Then I read under ProperAutocare.com some staff recommendations that I modified. Here's what I did on my neighbor's car last weekend (green so dark as to look almost black) with stunning results.





1. Wash with your VW with Gold Class. I used to recommend Dawn, but then an acquaintance said that it wasn't good on his finish. It made it appear cloudy.



2 Use a wax remover to clean off the old wax. If you haven't really waxed for 18 months you can skip this step, but I've found that 3M Tar, Wax and Tree Sap Remover is a good general purpose remover without harming the finish. You can get it for about $4.50 at Walmart.



3. Use a claybar to remove embedded pollultants if it feels rough at all to the touch. CMA of course recommends Pinnacle clay bar, but Mothers, or Clay Magic are excellent. I prefer Meguiars in colder weather since it's easier to manipulate and can be purchased with a quick detailer for about $10.00



4. Use DACP. Man, I love that stuff on oxidized finishes, and to remove scratches and waterspots that finecut cleaners couldn't remove. I would use the yellow pad. More than one pass may be necessary for serious scratches or water etching. My friends car was pretty new so I just used Meguiars #9 swirl remover on the hood. SMR may be helpful if there are fine scratches still left, but I felt that it was an unnecessary step.



5. Use a glaze as an undercoat. CMA recommends Meguiar's Machine Glaze. But I used S100 Gloss Enhancing Polish with fantastic results. You should get a great finish with the recommended polish. Use one of the white pads.



6. Top the glaze with Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish. I couldn't believe the difference when I put the Blackfire Polish over the S100 lotion. The reflection got amazingly clear. Definitely better than just using the Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish like I did on the other car. You will get best result using the second white polishing pad.



7. Use Blackfire Paint Protectant applied with the gray foam finishing pad. It works the protectant in better. Look at those who have actually applied it in these forums, but 2 major issues that seem to arise are it will haze if water gets on it, and haze of the coat is too thick. I just put on 4-6 small dollops on the pad. If you want more thorough protection, wait at least 5 hours (newer Blackfire formula which you should have) then put a second coat on the horizontal surfaces. This may be sufficient. You should like the look. I certainly did.



8. Wait a day or two then top with an excellent Carnauba as an optional step. CMA recommends their own Pinnacle of course, but I found P21S/S100 to be an excellent topper over Blackfire since it has a similar combination of clarity and good jetting. Sorry I haven't used Blitz. But I understand that it has a deep rather than a brilliant shine. Blackfire has a very deep, wet look combined with high reflectivity, so I recommend S100 (about $16.00 from a motorcycle shop), or 3M Perfect-It Show Car Paste (NAPA auto). Try a test area with Blitz and see if you like the look.



It should produce amazing results.
 
Well, follow MrDetailer's procedure, but use the products you already have (since you said you don't want to buy more).



i.e. wash, Pinnacle clay, DACP (which will remove any wax you had), then you could use Machine Glaze then BF GEP, but I'd probably just go to the GEP since DACP will already have left some polish on the surface. I wouldn't use #7 as it just doesn't seem like a polymer would go over it well. Then put on your BF protectant, as many coats as you want. I probably wouldn't bother to top it with Blitz, especially if you have the BF wash. This way you can use the BF wash to extend the protection.
 
Sorry to butt in, but I would like someone to clarify something, perhaps mrdetailer? If I have no swirls or scratches, the recommendation is to go with"S100 Gloss Enhancing Polish" "I couldn't believe the difference when I put the Blackfire Polish over the S100 lotion"

Is S100 two different items-a particular lotion and a GEP as well. I only know S100 as a wax.

These are the recommended steps in order, but I don't get the S100 lotion part.



DACP

S100 Gloss Enhancing Polish

Blackfire Paint Protectant

P21S/S100

Sorry but I just am not following.
 
Actually, its S100 Shine Enhansing Cleanser. You have to copy and paste the link.



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Yeah, I got the name slightly wrong. Too many names that sound the same. Actually the S100 SEPC (Shine Enhancing Paint Cleaner on the bottle I checked this morning) is a very mild glaze. It looks and smells like a hand lotion. It deep cleans the paint and uses special oils to add gloss. It is not really a swirl remover, at least by hand, in my experience, and has no physical abrasives. It is definitely a different product than the S100 Carnauba wax



One resident detailer, Scottwax, uses S100 SEPC then a glaze. so the 2 are not incompatible.



I used the SEPC as a substitute for the Meguiars Machine Glaze, since you have it, and it is the one recommended by CMA, you can't go wrong with the Machine Glaze IMO. Along with Aurora40 I see no reason to use #7 in this situation. Machine Glaze and #7 are equivalents. Go with the proven one.



Aurora40 also said "I'd probably just go to the GEP since DACP will already have left some polish on the surface." I would have agreed with him before last weekend. DACP is an excellent polish, but adding a pure glaze before the Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish made a startling difference in clarity. Will it look great with the DACP only. Absolutely. My white car did. But I think the green one looked even better when I applied the additional glaze coat.



With my old Blackfire coats I've been very pleased without a Carnauba topper so far. But after I put on the New Blackfire I'll top a section just to see what it does.



I hope when I go home that my new Blackfire Protectant will be on the porch. Hope it stays dry this weekend too.
 
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