Sherman8r44
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Beason said:
It'll make anything foam. It's a cool nozzle but it leaks if you turn it on its side. It aerates the solution, much like the nozzle on a foam gun.
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It'll make anything foam. It's a cool nozzle but it leaks if you turn it on its side. It aerates the solution, much like the nozzle on a foam gun.
imported_Grouse
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like one of those lil hand soap pumps. Interesting thanks for the heads up.
94BlkStang
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Anyone find it ironic that he has the bottle sitting on a glass table? :shocked
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Setec Astronomy
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Sherman8r44 said:
First of all, trust me, you'd rather be around HCl than HF. Second of all, HF etches glass, HCl doesn't.
Sherman8r44 said:
I guess what I mean't is that typically very corrosive materials have extremely strict guidelines for care in handling. From the warnings on the containers to the warnings on the trucks that will deliver them. I just don't think that detailing product in general would be anywhere near that dangerous for liability reasons. That said, $hit happens and who knows what happened in this case.
About the plastic, I just didn't think that they shipped extremely corrosive liquids period, let alone in plastic containers that would be prone to bursting. But I guess glass would be worse!
imported_bren wrx
New member
This is my car it happend to and this thread is typical internet garbage....skeptics!!!
the bottle was shipped to me like so, i can send you other angles of the bottle if you like, if danase shipped it out wrong or not, that doesnt change the fact it was mislabeled at the manufacturer
the chemical sheet of S&R was posted on this site when other people had tested it for acids and were doubting it was acid free, i dont beleive an alkane would do this to my car.
Also to those doubting come see my car in worcester, ill gladly show it to you, but talking a picture of GLASS with a flash or no flash comes out like ****, especially with the transperancy of the dash or something behind it. Like i posted in the thread with poorboys before he deleted it, i am having a professional photographer look at it tomorrow. I have plenty of pictures of the "car" none are really convincing due to my lack of skills. To the doubter about my bottle being fishy.....heres the front of it
i am by far not "suspicious" i run one of the most well known detailing businesses in my area and have many many forum customers from this site and others, audiworld, and nasioc. I moderate a few forums as well, i am well known.
for those who doubt the price the windshelid alone is 320$ (invoice), the cowl is around 150$ and i havent got the price on the wipers yet.
that is all i am saying as me and steve are going to work it out. the pictures of the car are between me and steve right now so threads like these wont exist.
the bottle was shipped to me like so, i can send you other angles of the bottle if you like, if danase shipped it out wrong or not, that doesnt change the fact it was mislabeled at the manufacturer
the chemical sheet of S&R was posted on this site when other people had tested it for acids and were doubting it was acid free, i dont beleive an alkane would do this to my car.
Also to those doubting come see my car in worcester, ill gladly show it to you, but talking a picture of GLASS with a flash or no flash comes out like ****, especially with the transperancy of the dash or something behind it. Like i posted in the thread with poorboys before he deleted it, i am having a professional photographer look at it tomorrow. I have plenty of pictures of the "car" none are really convincing due to my lack of skills. To the doubter about my bottle being fishy.....heres the front of it
i am by far not "suspicious" i run one of the most well known detailing businesses in my area and have many many forum customers from this site and others, audiworld, and nasioc. I moderate a few forums as well, i am well known.
for those who doubt the price the windshelid alone is 320$ (invoice), the cowl is around 150$ and i havent got the price on the wipers yet.
that is all i am saying as me and steve are going to work it out. the pictures of the car are between me and steve right now so threads like these wont exist.
InfamousDX
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Man... I'll vouch for bren wrx... I know him from nasioc.
imported_truzoom
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bren,
sorry to hear what happened. also, we are a pretty nice bunch here so please do not think we are being hostile towards you. welcome to autopia.
sorry to hear what happened. also, we are a pretty nice bunch here so please do not think we are being hostile towards you. welcome to autopia.
imported_Picus
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That S&R has definitely been cut. Very weird to have recieved it not only in the wrong bottle but cut. Someone goofed.
imported_Grouse
New member
Well considering we can't see the thread you are talking about...
I'm still skeptic.
<shrug> I allways am when some one goes on the internet with fuzzy pics, lamb blasting a company with suposed damage. Then repeats what the company saposedly says. All before the issue is resolved.
Once the issue is resolved i see no problem giving a company hell, I simply prefer to go out of my way to resolve the issue to it's finality before i drag my dirty laundry out in public. You may have felt you were at that point. That's you, this is me.
Toodles, can't wait for pics of damage.
I'm still skeptic.
<shrug> I allways am when some one goes on the internet with fuzzy pics, lamb blasting a company with suposed damage. Then repeats what the company saposedly says. All before the issue is resolved.
Once the issue is resolved i see no problem giving a company hell, I simply prefer to go out of my way to resolve the issue to it's finality before i drag my dirty laundry out in public. You may have felt you were at that point. That's you, this is me.
Toodles, can't wait for pics of damage.
imported_bren wrx
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Grouse said:
i moved the thread out of public eye, due to this bs.
welll the thread started from an public awareness thread posted by poorboys on detail city posted themselves in which i posted nicely what i saw and answered a few questions members asked, it turned into a bigger deal then it really is with people doing exactly what they are doing in this thread. I never planned on putting anything up, i simply put up a beware for bugwash for other owners, before i even knew it was wheel cleaner that melted it or even talked to steve monday morning
cheers
wannafbody
wannafbody
the mistake must have been made by Steve's chemist-for his sake it better be a small batch mistake.
94BlkStang
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bren wrx said:
What you did was right and we should all appreciate it. Unfortunately mistakes happen in any industries and hopefully you and Poorboys can get this easily resolved. From the recent posts it appears he is willing to work with you. Good luck.
Rocket
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What about the color difference between the two products? Didn't that cause you to wonder before you used the product?
bren wrx said:
Ok. Let me rephrase. I meant to say that I thought that things didn't quite add up in the original story. That was probably due to me missing something or you missing to mention something in your original post. I understand that you were just trying to warn people of things. I also understand that mistakes happen and thankfully you didn't harm YOURSELF with in this mix-up. I have dealt with Bob at Danase and felt that he was very helpful with me and I would think that you won't have any problems with him helping resolve this matter. That said, I do hope that you get this resolved to your satisfaction.
As for all of the "doubters" and "haters" out there, I believe most were just simply trying to understand the situation and were doubtful because of Poorboy's and Danase's excellent reputations. I honestly didn't "doubt" you as like I said, $hit happens. If it truly a mix up of labels, then this could have happened to any of us.
As for the noting of the difference in the color of the product, I don't think I would have noticed anything that would have made me suspicious of the product.
Good luck to you getting this resolved!
klnyc
Deep scratch guy.
InfamousDX said:
I hate to admit it. ..Im 2nd to that^^^^. Im a big time lurker at NASIOC, I see BenWRX every where. Hope you and Steve can can work it out. Good luck.
SilverLexus
Super Enthusiast
Poorboys is a terrific operation but sometimes mistakes happen with all sizes of business. I'm comfortable this was just a fluke.
I'm sure Steve will make it right for you. He has always done right by me. :hifive:
I'm sure Steve will make it right for you. He has always done right by me. :hifive:
holland_patrick
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Sherman8r44 said:
Ok I have sat back on this long enough.. after reading what was on the Subaru boards and now the link it's makes me mad.. I'm friends with both steve and sean this is crazy...
let's step back in time here for a min..
This was only on detail city..
http://www.detailcity.org/forums/de...ner-containing-hfl.html?highlight=spray+rinse
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G35stilez
Diamond Graphite is 4evr
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Southport, CT
Posts: 1,880
Poorboy's Spray + Rinse Wheel Cleaner containing HFl?
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I caught wind through the grape vine that a chemist had tested the chemical makeup of Poorboy's Spray + Rinse Wheel Cleaner and found that it has Hydrofluoric Acid in it.
HFl, for those who don't know, attacks aluminum and is very strong (health hazard), but works well for those really disgusting wheels.
Can anyone confirm or contest this? Maybe MSDS sheets would help? """
Now this went on for a few pages...
Now after Steve has done quite a few things for sean and has opened up his family and the fact that Steve daugters love him i'm not quite sure WHY he would do this..
anyways the MSDS came out
Sean..here you go...now let's see your proof!!!!!!
Poorboy's World
17 Brookhill Dr.
W. Nyack, NY 10994
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET (MSDS)
Spray and Rinse
Section I
MSDS PREPARATION DATE: July 1, 2005
TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR INFORMATION: 845-627-5907
Section II - HAZARDOUS INGREDIENTS/IDENTITY INFORMATION
Specific Chemical Identity OSHA PEL ACGIH TLV
Ammonium Hydrogen Difluoride (CAS# 1341-49-7) TWA 2.5 MG(F)/M3 2.5 MG(F)/M3
TWA 2.5 MG(F)/M3
Section III - PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL CHARACTERISTICS
BOILING POINT: 220 F
SPECIFIC GRAVITY (WATER=1): >1
VAPOR PRESSURE (MM HG.): N/D
MELTING POINT: N/A
VAPOR DENSITY (Air=1): N/D
EVAPORATION RATE, n-Bu Acetate=1: <1
APPEARANCE AND ODOR: Hazy liquid with citrus odor
SOLUBILITY IN WATER: Complete
Section IV - FIRE FIGHTING MEASURES
FLASH POINT: Material does not exhibit a flash point.
FLAMMABLE LIMITS LEL: NA UEL: NA
EXTINGUISHING MEDIA: Use water, carbon dioxide or foam.
SPECIAL FIRE FIGHTING METHOD: Wear positive pressure self-contained breathing apparatus.
UNUSUAL FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARDS: Toxic emissions are possible in a fire situation. Not a fire or
explosion hazard.
Section V - REACTIVITY DATA
STABILITY: Stable.
CONDITIONS TO AVOID: None known.
INCOMPATIBILITY (MATERIALS TO AVOID): Strong acids.
HAZARDOUS DECOMPOSITIONS OR BYPRODUCTS: NH3 NO. If contacted with strong acids, HF will be
released. With strong alkali, NH3 will be released.
HAZARDOUS POLYMERIZATION: Will Not Occur.
CONDITIONS TO AVOID: None known.
Section VI - HEALTH HAZARD DATA
ROUTES OF ENTRY: Inhalation, skin, and ingestion
HEALTH HAZARDS ACUTE: Skin absorption, apparent dermal LD50>2gms/kg body weight.
Ingestion, apparent acute dermal LD50 is 406 mg/kg body weight.
CHRONIC: Repeated exposure to excessive concentrations of fluorides over years
may lead to embrittlement and decalcification of bones do to fluoride deposition.
CARCINOGENICITY:
NTP? Not Listed IARC MONOGRAPHS? Not Listed OSHA REGULATED? Not Listed
Poor Boy’s World
MSDS- Spray and Rinse
Page 1
SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS OF EXPOSURE:
Eye contact: moderately irritation on Draize test. May cause burn.
Inhalation: causes severe irritation
Skin Contact: Ammonium Bifluoride may cause severe chemical burns, which may not be
immediately apparent.
Ingestion: may cause severe burns to the gastrointestinal tract. Absorption of fluoride may cause
death.
MEDICAL CONDITIONS GENERALLY AGGRAVATED BY EXPOSURE: May aggravate preexisting skin or
respiratory ailments.
EMERGENCY AND FIRST AID PROCEDURES:
EYE: Immediately flush with plenty of water or normal saline for at least 15 minutes. Obtain
immediate medical attention.
SKIN: Immediately rinse exposed area with water for several minutes. Remove contaminated
clothing. If immediate rinsing is not performed seek medical attention.
INHALATION: Remove to fresh air. For severe or prolonged high level exposure, seek medical
attention.
INGESTION: Do not induce vomiting. Immediately administer by mouth any available substance
that contains calcium (Tums, milk) or magnesium (Maalox, Mylanta.) DO NOT administer activated charcoal.
Obtain immediate medical attention.
Section VII - PRECAUTIONS FOR SAFE HANDLING AND USE
STEPS TO BE TAKEN IN CASE MATERIAL IS RELEASED OR SPILLED: Contain spill. Remove with inert
absorbent material. Wash spill area with water.
WASTED DISPOSAL METHOD: In accordance with Federal, State and local regulations.
PRECAUTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN HANDLING AND STORING: Wash thoroughly after handling. Keep
containers closed when not in use. Store away from food and food products.
OTHER PRECAUTIONS: Store away from strong alkalis. Avoid contact with skin or any body parts or
clothing that could absorb product. Keep out of the reach of children. Do not get in eyes or on skin.
Section VIII - CONTROL MEASURES
RESPIRATORY PROTECTION: None required if adequate ventilation is maintained. Otherwise, a
NIOSH/MSHA approved organic vapor full face respirator is advised.
VENTILATION: Local exhaust.
OTHER PROTECTIVE CLOTHING: Eye wash and safety shower should be available.
WORK HYGIENIC PRACTICES: Do not get in eyes, on skin or on clothing. Use only with adequate
ventilation. Observe good housekeeping practices.
EYE PROTECTION: Approved safety glasses with side shields.
PROTECTIVE GLOVES: Rubber or neoprene.
Section XVI - OTHER INFORMATION
HAZARD RATING SYSTEMS: This information is for people trained in National Fire Protection Association
(NFPA 704) Identification of the Fire Hazards of Materials.
NFPA 704 KEY: NFPA
HEALTH 3 4=Extreme
FLAMMABILITY 0 3=High
REACTIVITY 2 2=Moderate
1=Slight
0=Insignificant
May be used to comply with OSHA’s Hazard Communication Standard, 29 CFR 1910,1200. Standard
must be consulted for specific requirements.
Poor Boy’s World
MSDS- Spray and Rinse
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Yet Sean never sited his top notch chemist
Just this....
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G35stilez
Diamond Graphite is 4evr
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Southport, CT
Posts: 1,880
Re: Poorboy's Spray + Rinse Wheel Cleaner containing HFl?
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Steve, Fuzz, and DC,
I just wanted to apologize for this whole ball of mess I created. I really didn't mean for it to get this blown out of proportion at all. I was just trying to get an answer.
Sorry for any stress this morning. Enjoy the rest of the day...It's gorgeous up here in the North East.
Regards,
Sean Busch ""
Now sean and bren are good freinds so when Bren says Hey i know from someone that poorboys has HCL acid in it guess where it's coming from...
you know it's a mistake.. and many levels but to drag it out.. well that is just a sucky thing.